Thursday, April 20, 2017

This Is Why There Will Be No Pre-Emptive U.S. Military Action Against North Korea

A general view shows part of central Seoul March 10, 2011. REUTERS/Lee Jae-Won

David Wood, Huffington Post: North Korea’s Simple But Deadly Artillery Holds Seoul And U.S. Hostage

“These perfectly positioned offensive artillery firing positions are virtually impenetrable, extremely difficult to take out by counterfire.”

Burrowed into hard granite mountain faces and protected behind blast doors, 15,000 North Korean cannons and rocket launchers are aimed at the glass skyscrapers, traffic-choked highways and blocks of apartment buildings 35 miles away in Seoul ― and the U.S. military bases beyond.

In a matter of minutes, these heavy, low-tech weapons could begin the destruction of the South Korean capital with blizzards of glass shards, collapsed buildings and massive casualties that would decimate this vibrant U.S. ally and send shock waves through the global economy.

Unlike the undefended Syrian airfield struck by U.S. tomahawk missiles or the Afghan caves destroyed this month by the largest non-nuclear bomb ever used by the U.S. military, U.S. air attacks can’t quickly or easily destroy North Korean guns.

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WNU Editor: I have been to Seoul many times. A huge city with +20 million residents .... and within range of North Korean artillery and rockets. A few hours of bombardment will be more than enough to destroy the city and inflict casualties in the tens of thousands .... and everyone knows this. The map below gives an idea on what is the range for North Korean artillery on targets in South Korea.

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D.Plowman said...

North Korea is good at adding to the myth concerning their military capability. While they certainly do possess lots of artillery and could potentially devastate Seoul; being held hostage and allowing the North to continue along the path they've chosen is not an option either.

fazman said...

Correct, the notion that millions of koreans will stand in the streets staring at the sky for hours whilst artillery rains down is false.
S.K has one of the most efficent and capable public bomb shelter and civil defense systems in any country period. , incl their rather deep and reinforced (for this reason) subway system.
So many analysts question this artillery myth , many are old, crews poorly trained, ammunition 25% failure rate due to age, and most IS NOT carved into granite behind blast doors but rather in dug in firing positions.
By all means war should be a last option but enough with the 500.000 rounds nonsense, how about the ability to kill 500000 with 1 round?

Jay Farquharson said...

fazman said...

What of the 100, 000 estimated rockets pointed at israel by hezzbollah? Is israel paralysed by inaction, no.

Jay Farquharson said...

The results of the 2006 war does seem to have paralyzed Israel.

fazman said...

Jay Farquharson said...



"Of course, in large-scale military operations, optimal function is rarely attained. Witness the number of duds that will be fired. During North Korea’s shelling of Yeonpyeong Island, on the west coast of South Korea, the KPA fired over 100 rounds, 25% of which failed to go off. This is an astronomically high number, and not at all in keeping with modern artillery technology. If North Korean artillery fails to explode at the same rate it did in 2010, that would reduce the number of hits on Seoul to about 2,700 per minute, leading to Cavazos estimating about 2,800 fatalities for each minute at that rate of fire, assuming the majority of the population of the city is standing in open ground – meaning as many as 64,000 South Koreans could be killed on the first day of any attack."

Of course, you've got no skin in the game,

The closest you come to having "skin in the game", is the risk to your job in the resulting economic chaos, the serviceability of your Samsung appliances and flat screen TV, the resale value of your KIA, and updates to keep your Android phone working,

oh, and the 28,500 US Serviceperson's and their families in South Korea.

The Korean War 1.0 didn't work out as advertised,

I can understand why you are so desperate for a rematch,

but I don't think the Korean War 2.0 will go any better.

D.Plowman said...

I think Jay prefers 'strategic patience' and awaiting for North Korea to either A: Collapse upon itself or B: Wait for North Korea to go through its leaders until a 'liberal' one is up to the task.

In the meantime, North Korea continues its nuclear 'deterrent' program...

fazman said...

I cant inderstand why you are intent if buying into this myth, popular mechanics interviewed experts , military etc and debunked those casualty figures, Your implication is that none of these nork positions are known and been pre targetted, or the u.s and south korean airforces and force multiplier mlrs systems will just sit there for 3 hours with their respective thumbs up their ass humming bye bye miss american pie.

fazman said...

Yeah the nukes are no threat, stratedgic patience has worked a treat, and its 1950.

fazman said...

Also by bombarding south korea how many chinese nationals in Seoul do you suppose kim is willing to kill, with many chinese diplomats, children etc amongst the dead and wounded?
Kim is no idiot, the next salvo of missiles wont be from the u.s and sth koreans it will be from China.

Jay Farquharson said...

D. Plowman,

Remember the Agreed Framework?

Or the Sunshine Policy?

Jay Farquharson said...

For every rah rah "How the US can destroy" article, there's a counterpoint argument.

Dozens of articles are published every week either glorifying US Military Power, or pointing out it's not quite enough.

Meanwhile, sober articles about non-military US options are published at best, annually.

Notice anthing strange about that?

Ever think that in light of casualties and destruction, South Korea should take the lead on dealing with the NORK's, followed by China and Japan,

And that a "good ally" would follow South Korea's lead,

Rather than stirring shit up,

Moreso, when South Korea is currently leaderless and hoing into new elections?

Of course not.

Aizino Smith said...

North Korea would lose the war.

fazman said...

Lose operational combat strength within the week, armour and artillery corps would exist on paper .

fazman said...

Month not week my bad

Jay Farquharson said...

The NORK's seem to be unconcerned,

They are probably unaware that the FBI can now go after them hard, for pirated TopGun on blueray.

fazman said...