Iranian Deputy Chief of Staff of Armed Forces Brigadier General Massoud Jazzayeri warned the US officials that Iran's missile power is a redline which can no way be encroached.
Jerusalem Post: Iranian military official warns US: Stay away from Iran's red lines
Iranian deputy chief of staff says Islamic Republic will not curtail its missile program no matter what.
Iran warned the U.S. on Monday that any attempt to encroach on the Islamic Republic's ballistic missile program would constitute the crossing of a "red line."
"The US calculations about the Islamic Republic and the Iranian nation are fully incorrect," Iranian Deputy Chief of Staff Brig-Gen Maassoud Jazzayeri was quoted by the Fars News Agency as saying.
"The White House should know that defense capacities and missile power, specially at the present juncture where plots and threats are galore, is among the Iranian nation's red lines and a backup for the country's national security and we don’t allow anyone to violate it," Jazzayeri said.
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Very very cheap talk the Israelis going to knock the towel off your head
ReplyDeleteI'll bet they mean it more than President Obama.
ReplyDeleteThe Israelis have the best trained and best led airforce on earth. As such, they'd be more capable of handling this problem than America ever could.
ReplyDeleteI remember patiently telling friends and family in early 2008 that we did not need to worry about a nuclear Iran. Israel would take care of this problem and I explained how it would go down. The Israelis would launch their operation, obliterate Iran's nuclear weapons capability, and be back home before the Americans even knew what happened. The Americans could not be kept in the loop on this as Iranian operatives in the American government would instantly warn their Iranian counterparts back in Iran.
Frankly I was rather looking forward to the deer in the headlights looks on the faces of American leaders as they tried to explain to the microphones of the media what jyst happened. For reasons known only to the Israelis they haven't acted yet. Perhaps its out of excessive deference to America. Again, only they know.
While the operation would lijely be much tougher now than it would have been in 2008, Israel can still carry this out. As for America, it's unlikely the USAF could make a dent in Iran's air defenses much less get past them.
Actually we should hope Israel can handle this with conventional means as I would not expect them to just sit around waiting for Iran to destroy them. If it can't be handled with conventional means, then tnis means other means, per nuclear, will need to be used. Fortunately I don't think it'll come to that as Isreal will handle the problem with conventional means. When this happens, America will owe Iran a BIG favor and when it does go down America's best course of action would be to GET OUT OF ISRAEL'S WAY!! There's nothing we can contribute and our involvement would only have negative utility.
There may be a better way than Israeli military action to solve this problem. Work through Russia to try and affect a change in Iranian behavior toward America. This might mean withdrawing all US support from Eastern Europe, supporting Russia's position on Ukraine, and if neccessary withdrawing the US from NATO. In exchange, Russia acts to constrain Iran or to help us in doing so. In event, the above actions on our part carry no downsides and have huge upside potential.
B.Poster
ReplyDeletecan you elaborate on how Israel can effectively attack Iran with out American assistance .
Like weapons systems bunker buster ordnance,refueling and stealth technology raid mapping, meant no disrespect but what you posted needs more Intel
The Israelis have shown abilities all the way from the war of 1967, the Yom Kippur War, the taking out of Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor up to present that the Americans would be unable to do. Also, they've routinely overcome odds on the battlefield from the beginning of the modern nation that America would be unable to do so far.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Israeli intel is among the world's best. Even the Soviet/Russian KGB back in its day admitted this. As such, they will be in a good position to identify the targets, much better than the CIA currently could. Furthermore to coordinate with America would only risk high rankkng Iranian operatives in the US givernment getting access to Israeli plans.
Isreal's prior history combined with the fact the nation continues to survive against very difficult odds seems to indicate Israel is more tgan capable of carrying out such a mission. Also, I recall reading reports during the Bush Administration that they were concerned Israel might launch the attack. If they lacked the ability, it seems unlikely they'd have been concerned.
In any event, if it can't be done by cinventional means, Israel will use other means as I don't expect them to sit around and wait for Iran to desrtoy them.
If Israel calls on American assistance, the missikn would fail. The Americans lack the training, the leadership, or the piloting skills to be of any use in this area. Furthermore Iranian agents in the US government would reveal the details to the Iranian government.
ReplyDeleteIsrael also has a history of modifying weapons systems it putchases to meet its needs often making them better than the original. As such, if refueling is needed the Israelis will have figured this out, bunker busting ordinance the Russuans are no doubt intomately familliar with anything we sokd Israel and will have taught the Iranians how to beat it. As such, expect the Israelis to modify the weapon.
As for mapping the raid, the incompetent CIA probably doesn't even know where the facilities are with any certainty. In contrast, the Mossad is among the world's best. Yo request help from America here very respectfully would be like a top mathematician asking a kindergartner to help him with a math problem.
B.Poster, I don't know where to begin with your post. Israel has a great air force, but it is not in the same league as the US. No one is close. The US Air Force, Navy and Marines bring some of the best trained and equipped air components in the we world. Then you have to consider the large numbers on top of the quality. The US is today the only nation in the world that can operate worldwide. Also, we have the only active stealth operational fighter and bomber wings. Only the US and Russia operate significant large bomber forces. Certainly Israel has none.
ReplyDeleteTheses are all significant factors you over look. Israel also lacks the ability to strike in Iran and return. It is simply out of Israeli range. Not the US's. The air defense, particularly the new advanced version Iran is purchasing from Russia is lethal to Israel Gen 4 air craft. The US can go in and leave before Iran knows what hit them and do nothing to stop it. The radar can't see them to lock, if the mission is supported and executed properly. Any Iranian fighter foolish enough to get air born will be quickly dispatched by the Raptures.
The Real problem for Israel and the US is to know what to hit. We have munitions to destroy the deep bunkers, Israel lacks lacks these weapons. The Iranian program, which is still operational is spread through out the country, so not easily located or hit. If Iran went back into full production, spreading it's program throughout the country, only an invasion could stop it. No one has the desire for that and Israel couldn't launch such an invasion on Iran. It's simply too far away and couldn't get sufficient forces on the battlefield. Indeed Iran is a large nation and a war of attrition wuld not benefit Israel.
So why has Israel not acted? Because they truly can't in any decisive way. The US knows it's a practicality issue for them. Besides, what do you do on day two when the Iranians close the Persian Gulf and stops oil from getting to the market or it attacks oil fields in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait? That would be devistating the US and world economies.
There are no good choices for the US and really none for the Israelis on any large level with Iran. All parties know it.
OV,
ReplyDeleteI think you're correct no good choices right now. Israel has waited to long. Had they have zcted sooner we would all be in a better position.
In any event, I don't think Israel is going to wait around for Iran to destroy them. Hence they are going to do something. I'm sure Israel has figured out all the problems you mention. As such, their "something" should be effective. Like I said I'm rather looking forward to the deer in the headlights looks on the faces of US leaders when it finally does go down,if it does. As I said, I'd much prefer to engage Russia on this and find a solution that way.
If the new Russian air defenses are lethal to Israel, they woukd also be lethal to the less well trained USAF. I'm pretty sure the Israelis can handle it.
While we canot "know" for certain what would happen in a given conflict until it happens, if it happens, we can make inferences. Given Israel's prior history at overcoming very difficult situations, they should be up to this one. After all they've overcome numerous challenges far more difficult than this one. This one will become even more difficult as time goes on.
The US mikitary is wirn down from continuing fruitless operations around tge world, morale is low, training is substandard, and the equipment is outdated and in poor shape especially when compared to Russia. On yop of this US intel is utterly incompetent.
While perhaps it can operate around the world, it can't do so effectively in many places. A redeployment to positions closer to home that make sense for our defense needs is desparately needed.
The Russuan military is the world's best. US military leaders should study Russia's military campaigns in Syria, Ukraine, and Georgia. Especially in the case of Georgia, as retired col Ralph Peters admitted the Russians were able to move men and equipment at a faster pace than the US could, demonstrates unmatched military prowess.
As an American, I get no satisfaction from this but ignoring reality will not change it. Good outcones for America are still possible but persuing policies that ignore reality in favor of ideology are unhelpful to say the least.
The facts are that israel can not defeat iran militarily for the aforementioned reasons.
ReplyDeleteAs for worlds best airforce perhaps one of the most experienced against old aircraft and ill prepared pilots but put 6 israeli f16 in the air against 6 raaf aust super hornets l put my money on the australian pilots.
All the great military weaponary and training that israel posseses has its roots in the u.s best not to bite the hand that feeds you.
The facts are that israel can not defeat iran militarily for the aforementioned reasons.
ReplyDeleteAs for worlds best airforce perhaps one of the most experienced against old aircraft and ill prepared pilots but put 6 israeli f16 in the air against 6 raaf aust super hornets l put my money on the australian pilots.
All the great military weaponary and training that israel posseses has its roots in the u.s best not to bite the hand that feeds you.
Fazman,
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why my previous reply to you does not show. Very respectfully if you want to bet your money on the Aussie pilots and equipment against the Israelis, its your choice. It's your money to lose. Even the USAF is not going to beat the Israelis and the United States carries the ridiculously stupid moniker as "leader of the free world." This is not a knock against the American or Australian pilots. The Israelis are just better.
While the introduction of the new air defense systems by Russia will certainly make things more complicated, in the words of one former US official John Bolton Israel "waited to long," he under estimates Israeli abilities and overestimates US ones. If we have to depend on the US, it can't be done as the US would never make it past he old Iranian air defenses much less the new ones and even if they had the skills, equipment, and leadership Iranian agents in the US government would warn the Iranians ahead of time eliminating the needed element of surprise.
By waiting so long Israel this does mean the operation will be much tougher but not impossible. I'd expect in the run up to the operation any monitoring equipment including satellites the US has monitoring the region will suddenly experience power failures or other mal functions making the US essentially blind, deaf, and dumb as far as its electronic survelliance goes. As for the Russian systems, this will be much tougher than dealing with the American systems but not impossible as the Israelis have experience at this sort of thing and have shown themselves to be quite capable.
While Israeli weapons do in many cases have "roots" in American technology, it can also be said North Korean submarines have their "roots" in the 1950s. Such systems have been modified and improved upon. The same goes for Israeli military equipment. They've done this sort of thing in the past. As such, I think it a reasonable assumption they will do this in the future.
Given how the US heavily depends upon Israel for crucial intel on common adversaries and to act as a buffer between the US and Islamic terrorists, it would be foolish in the extreme for America to bite the hand in Israel that performs such a crucial role in sustaining it.
With that said I'd like to see Israel become more self sufficient in the supply of its own weapons and weapon systems. while great strides have been made, more should be done for several basic reasons. 1.)The US at this point in time has some very foolish leadership who often makes decisions based upon ideological preferences as opposed to reality or American interests. As such, America might be foolish enough to not support Israel. It's best not to look to unreliable partners. 2.)Russia and China could blockade the United States at any time making the delivery of such weapons to Israel impossible should they be needed. 3.)The US military is in terrible shape right now. The equipment is substandard, training is poor, morale is low, and the forces and equipment are worn down from continuous fruitless operations around the world. As such, the United States is going to have a hard enough time supplying its own forces and being able to defend the American mainland to be capable of assisting anyone else. 4.)Israel is a valuable ally of America and the nations face common enemies. If Israel can operate fully without any contribution from America, this should be good for both countries.
While we cannot "know" for certain the outcome of any particular military confrontation in advance, we can make inferences and best estimates based upon prior histories, a careful analysis of the capabilities of each side, and then trying to reach a reasonable conclusion. In the case of a military confrontation with Russia, China, Iran, or any combination of these, I pray we never get to find out who would "win."
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