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USA Today: Russia: If U.S. Navy pilots can't handle buzzing, stay out of the Black Sea
Only days after the U.S. accused a Russian plane of dangerously buzzing a U.S. military plane in the Black Sea, the Russian defense ministry said Thursday that if U.S. pilots are depressed over Russian planes protecting its borders, they should fly other routes.
The incident Monday, as reported by U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa, involved a Russian Su-27 flying within five feet of an EP-3 Aries before crossing through the U.S. aircraft’s flight path and forcing it to fly through the Su-27’s flight wash, according to Military Times.
It was the second such incident in three months. In late November, a P-8A Poseidon was left in another Russian jet’s afterburners, causing the Poseidon to roll 15 degrees and experience "violent turbulence," Military Times reported.
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WNU Editor: These type of maneuvers are very dangerous. And the Russians are hinting that they are not going to stop .... Russia Says It Won't Stop Tailing US Aircraft After 'Unsafe' Maneuver (Military.com).
More News On Russia Disputing Reports That Their Fighter Jet Intercept Of A U.S. Spy Plane Was Dangerous
Russia to US Navy: Get new maps -- The Hill
Russia Tells US Military to Deal With Getting Buzzed If Spy Planes Fly Near Crimea -- Newsweek
Russia says interception of US spy plane posed no danger -- Reuters
Russian Military Talks Tough After 'Unsafe' Black Sea Flyby -- Radio Free Europe
Russia To American Pilots: “If We Scare You, Then Stay Away…” -- Tsarizm
One of these days, there will be a collision and the Russians will blame the US for getting in the way of their fighter. you watch.
ReplyDeleteThese sort of intimidation tactics were common in the Cold War. At sea or in the air close encounters were a staple. For instance subs collided from time to time. Russia and the US are now in Cold War 2.0 so people need to see this in the context of the first one, only Russia is a different beast now, more able to access sophisticated electronics and manufacturing gear than those olden days.
ReplyDeleteTwo solutions: either we are changing our rules of engagement (the Obama administration makes the threat), or we have to do the same to the Russian planes.
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ReplyDelete"...only Russia is a different beast now, more able to access sophisticated electronics and manufacturing gear than those older days." This is true. This is one of a number of factors that make today's Russia a far tougher foe than the old Soviet Union. This combined with the fact that the United States is weaker today relatively speaking than it was during Cold War 1 makes this situation even more dangerous.
During Cold War 1 the Soviet Union caused it couldn't keep up and Ronald Reagan and his team put aside over heated rhetoric and negotiated in good faith allowing us to end Cold War 1. The situation is similar today except in reverse. The United States iscin deep trouble and needs to go in a different direction and the Russians haven't advocated anything that seems unreasonable. This is a war we can't afford, lack the resources to prosecute effectively, and even if we did we don't need it!! It's time to end it.
Jac,
There is another solution. Get out of Black Sea. This solution has no costs coupled with huge upside potential. In contrast, continuing to challenge Russia here has huge downside risks along with little to no upside potential. As such, getting out of the Black Sea seems like a no brainer to me.
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ReplyDelete"One of these days, there will be a collision and the Russians will blame the US for getting in the way of their fighter. you watch."
I do not disagree, but that is not the 1/2 of it.
A Russian pilot might be able to eject, while a P8 could lose 0 to 7 people.
Think sanction are bad now?
If the U.S., lost the whole aircrew, it would be at least one complete spiral down toward war.
Both sides might want to think about it.
"Nine-person crew: dual-pilot cockpit, five mission crew (plus relief pilot and in-flight technician)."
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"One of the J-8s (81194), piloted by Lt. Cdr. Wang Wei, made two close passes to the EP-3. On the third pass, it collided with the larger aircraft. The J-8 broke into two pieces; the EP-3's radome detached completely and its No. 1 (outer left) propeller was severely damaged. Airspeed and altitude data were lost, the aircraft depressurized, and an antenna became wrapped around the tailplane. The J-8's tail fin struck the EP-3's left aileron forcing it fully upright, and causing the U.S. aircraft to roll to the left at 3–4 times its normal maximum rate.
The impact sent the EP-3 into a 30° dive at a bank angle of 130°, almost inverted. It dropped 8,000 feet (2,400 m) in 30 seconds, and fell another 6,000 feet ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbgak0YebaY
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