U.S. President Joe Biden is seen through a window in the Oval Office as he speaks by phone with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House in Washington, December 9, 2021. Leah Millis, Reuters
CNBC: Biden lost temper with Zelenskyy in June phone call when Ukrainian leader asked for more aid
It’s become routine since Russia invaded Ukraine: President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy speak by phone whenever the U.S. announces a new package of military assistance for Kyiv.
But a phone call between the two leaders in June played out differently from previous ones, according to four people familiar with the call. Biden had barely finished telling Zelenskyy he’d just greenlighted another $1 billion in U.S. military assistance for Ukraine when Zelenskyy started listing all the additional help he needed and wasn’t getting. Biden lost his temper, the people familiar with the call said. The American people were being quite generous, and his administration and the U.S. military were working hard to help Ukraine, he said, raising his voice, and Zelenskyy could show a little more gratitude.
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WNU Editor: This phone call was suppose to have happened in June. If true, I can only imagine what the U.S. President is feeling right now.
This war is one black hole for all those who get involved.
For the people in Ukraine this is a disaster that can only be compared to what happened in the Second World War.
For Russia it is a black hole in blood and treasure and the end of relations with the West for the next few decades.
And for the West. I have already lost count on how much military/economic/and financial aid the West has given to Ukraine. I have even lost count on how much aid I have given to strangers, friends and family members from Ukraine who have either fled and/or are still remaining in the country.
And it is going to get worse.
I project that for every dollar that has been spent in 2022 because of this war, it is going to be 3X in 2023. Maybe more. And that does not include the economic costs from russian sanctions for both Russia and the West.
Will the West continue to support that type of commitment?
We shall see.
"This war is one black hole for all those who get involved. "
ReplyDeleteINCLUDING RUSSUIA. Russia who started it.
Of course Joe is angry! In his mind he has a right to be angry. He accrues power by playing Santa Clause. Funding a real war crimps his style.
Will Russians continue to support that type of commitment?
ReplyDeleteWill the Komi, Sakha , Tuvans and other continue allowing their men The Russian equivalent of POC) be used as cannon fodder for Putin's elective war?
Funny thing happened on the way to autocracy. In 1996 the Komi had a republic. In 2002 Pooty Poot took it away.
We shall see.
Ukraines support and moneytap will dry up before next winter or even sooner. Then Zelenskyy will have a another tantrum and greenlight dirty bombs.
ReplyDeleteThe Russians are not going to back down unless some type of catastrophe happens. The West? Well ask the hmongs how that worked out for them.
ReplyDeleteThe west will grow tired, it always does.
Money to the Ukraine is like money to Afganistan. Down a rat hole. And what strategic worth to the US is the Ukraine? Answer : none except as a jump off point for military action East or as a buffer state.
Looking at the past 10 years The tragedy here is that this did not have to happen.
"What strategic worth to the US is the Ukraine? "
ReplyDeleteWhat strategic worth is Ukraine to Russia?
What strategic worth was Czechoslovakia to Germany?
Without the Skoda works would Germany have won The Battle of France?
A lot of "German" Armor came out of the Skoda works.
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/germany/panzer-38t.php
It was not just the Panzer 38t but also the Marder as well.
The military kit of Czechoslovakia was used not only to outfit German divisions but Romania ones as well.
Would Romania agreed to attacking Russia without the Czech spoils of war?
With Ukraine Russia would get more oil, gas, uranium, cropland and much much more.
I love 1215 like I love Democrats or snakes.
"Poland, the Netherlands, France, the Balkans, and Russia were subjected to Germany’s blitzkrieg between 1939 and 1941. At the forefront of those assaults were tanks of Czechoslovakian design."
ReplyDeleteFollowing the renewal of major operations in the West on May 10, 1940, Czech-designed tanks of the German Army roll rapidly across France
ReplyDeletehttps://warfarehistorynetwork.com/wwii-vehicles-the-czech-panzer-38t/
The article has pictures for the illiterate and English majors.
"In 1943, the inspector general of Germany’s panzer forces, Generaloberst Heinz Guderian, stressed the need for a light tank destroyer. An order to produce the 38(t) chassis for a new self-propelled antitank gun to replace all existing mobile and towed antitank armament was issued. The result was the 75mm, 15-ton Jagdpanzer 38(t) or Hetzer. This new weapon was put into production in April 1944 and produced until 1945 by both Skoda and BMM. Between April 1944 and the following May, over 2,584 were built"
ReplyDeleteAll those dead Russians killed by 38 (t)'s
strategic value for US? As stated practically none. For Russian strategic value is huge. Enemy forces and thier benefactors would have a great advantage on flight time, surveillance systems, ilogistic support etc...
ReplyDeleteIt is a direct threat to them.
What has the to do with Czech territory and manufacturing in WWII.
Nothing.
The question remains who is the Ukraine more valuble to? Who has the greater stategic interest in this case. Certainly not the US. The Europeans undoubtedly. But look at them now. Thier governments could have negotiated with the Russians and also enforced the Minsk agreement They chose againt thier pwn interese and now will suffer for it
"Russia 'suffers deadliest day of invasion yet with nearly a THOUSAND troops killed' as video shows panic-stricken soldiers fleeing on armoured vehicle which flips as it speeds away from Ukrainian attack"
ReplyDelete@1:29
DeleteWhomever posted that text that you are now parroting, wanted to create a narrative. I've seen it, the shorter edit that you apparently are talking about, and a 10 mins video that shows nothing else that troop movement that becomes under arty fire and a road accident were the driver couldn't see the road because of people sitting on top the APC.
"What has the to do with Czech territory and manufacturing in WWII."
ReplyDeleteAnyone who has ever played risk knows the answer to that question.
Are you playing the fool or are you a fool?
Dear Swede,
ReplyDelete1,000 Russians did not die in that vehicle flipping video. However it is believable that 100 artillery strikes could easily rack up 1,000 kills. Most casualties in war are the result of artillery. There are studies. You should read a few.
Unlike the Russians with their saturation artillery strikes, the Ukrainians wait for targets of opportunity like troop concentrations. As judicious as they are with their ammo, they still have to ask the Americans for more. As profligate as the Russians are, they have to buy North Korean ammo as they cannot produce enough by themselves.
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DeleteWNU Editor would rather if the Western world didn't get involved and let Ukraine get on with being savagely conquered by the Russians. He's not shied away from that perspective, as much as he tries to shadow it with 'goodwill' gestures that certainly don't align with his thinking.
ReplyDeleteWNU has a pro Kremlin bias in his opinions since day 1.
DeleteThe commenters on this thread fail to realize that the west is broke, our usual treasury buyers in china are done with with us, and our credibility is strained after stealing the Russian foreign reserves and findings different buyers is getting tough.
ReplyDeleteSocietally we’re extremely divided down the middle.
Meanwhile in russia profits are up, employment is maxed out, and the entire population is convinced that the leadership had no choice but to “send in the boys” after Ukraine began its assault on the Donbas on Feb 20.
Some of you are still living in the Korean War, where all these things said about the enemy were actually true and the American position was much more financially and socially solid than today by an order of magnitudes.
3 PM does not understand the nature of money.
ReplyDeleteMoscow has a balanced budget and it cannot afford to kit out its new mobiks.
Ergo 1500 needs to go back to the drawing board and pay attention this time.
It's time Ukraine fell on her own sword
ReplyDeleteOf all the people or armies that the US has backed, the Iranians have fought the hardest and shown more results than any other.
ReplyDeleteThe news report is over a 3rd of a year old.
* Ukraine is a test ground
* Ukraine is a chance to bleed or destroy an enemy.
* Ukraine fights better than other people backed by the US. The South Vietnamese did pretty good and then the Democrats pulled the rug out from under them.
The US spent money in Russia to prevent Russian scientist form working with Pakistan, Iran or others. It was to stop nuke tech proliferation and was a selfish element to it., It also helped Russia though as well. Ukraine and other wars is how Putin and Russia repays us.
It is time for the NSA to spike someone's computer to stop their trolling.
3:30 is drinkin' the koolaid like it's Burning Man and believes the UK rags like Daily Mail that claim Russian peasants are being dug out of their dirt houses in Siberia and armed with old cavalry sabers.
ReplyDeleteAlso, this new word you've invented: mobik. It's a conjunction of mobilized and vatnik, yeah? Just trying to get caught up on the freshest cope.
Well , if you read the Editor's article and analysis and then read the comment thread you can only come to one sure conclusion.
ReplyDeleteTo all who sees these presents, Greetings!
Let it be known that The Anonymous Guy who likes using the ad hominem attack is either a paid troll or just a babbling idiot who got his HS degree from a cracker jack box.
Hans Persson's comment posted at 1:29 hit the nail on the head, this guy could not make a logical argument if he tried. He also likes to change the main point of the discussion and try to turn the conversation down a rabbit hole.
Concur.
ReplyDeleteI also concurr. Insufferable sniping twit.
DeleteIt's not like Afghanistan where the U.S investment was flushed down the toilet . The ukranians have proven themselves as a tenacious fighting force, able to apply there nato training in the field. They were let down by the Bucharest memorandum and had rhe nato carrot dangled ever since.
ReplyDeleteUkraine is doing the United States heavy lifting on their behalf and a Russia that is so weakened as a result will allow the u.s to apply its foreign policies far more easily for the decade ahead.
So keep writing that check, it's cheaper than having to do the job yourself in 2030
I'm saving that text for later lmao
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