Euronews: Ukraine war: What do we know about the Kramatorsk train station attack?
The rocket attack that struck a railway station at Kramatorsk in eastern Ukraine killed at least "50 people including five children" and wounded "over 100", according to Ukrainian authorities. There was swift condemnation from the Kyiv government and European politicians, none of whom were in any doubt as to who was to blame as they condemned Russia for targeting civilians.
The station has been heavily used by evacuees, and officials say thousands of people were there at the time of the attack.
Late on Friday morning, Ukraine's state railway company said two rockets struck the station through which many Ukrainians had passed in recent days, fleeing the conflict zone in the Donbas region.
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Update #1: Strike kills 50 at Ukraine rail station crowded with people (AP)
Update #2: Ukraine war: Rocket strike hits Kramatorsk railway station - but Russia denies carrying out the attack (SKY News)
WNU Editor: Moon of Alabama details why the missile used was a Ukrainian Tochka-U Missile (link here).
ELINT News is saying that the Russian military continues to use Tochka-U missiles (link here).
The problem I have with Elint News' analysis is that they say they have video of the Russian military in Belarus transporting Tochka-U missiles. But when I look at the video I cannot tell what missiles are being carried by these trucks, and making the argument that the missile trucks have three rows of wheels is not enough for me.
Having said that, @MotolkoHelp is the one who posted the video, and he has been documenting Russia transporting its older munitions into the conflict zone, Tochka-U missiles included (link here).
It should be noted that the Ukraine military is using Tochka-U missiles in the Donbas, as was revealed in this attack a few weeks ago .... Powerful Tochka-U Missile ‘Shot-Down’ Mid Air Over Donetsk; Its Debris Kills Scores In The Contested Region — Reports (Eurasian Times).
To ultimately know who was responsible for this attack an independent investigative team can quickly make a determination on where this missile strike came from. Unfortunately, I doubt that this is going to happen.
Update #1: Pro-Kremlin Media U-Turns Over Kramatorsk Station Attack in Ukraine (Newsweek).
Update #2: Are Russia's claims about Tochka-U missiles true? (BBC)
17 comments:
I knew it wouldn't be long before the author posted an alternative narrative suggesting Ukraine false-flagged itself.
Who is responsible? You have to be kidding me. First you said Russia would not invade. Then you said they would crush Ukraine's military quickly. Then you constantly downplay and deny Russia's defeats on the battlefield. I have lost trust in you
Not in the least surprising in fact it has become modus operandi
Anon 11:25
I am not saying that at all.
Read the Newsweek (update #1) that I posted.
Even the BBC has questions (update #2).
Anon 11:29
Yes. I did not believe Russia was going to invade until a week before the invasion. You bust it you own it is what I said and warned about it before the invasion.
I also never said the war was going to end quickly. I was posting what the Pentagon was saying .... 72 hours. Posting what the professionals are saying is not the opinion that I believe in. I leave that up to you.
I also never downplayed, and will never downplay, the military situation on the ground in this war or any other war or conflict. I am always aggregating the news, and presenting both sides. This is why thousands of people check-out this blog everyday.
BBC does not, unlike you, imply a false flag. You only showcase news that suits your bias at large, as you've always done.
I see nothing about how Kremlin media celebrated a strike on a 'ammunition train' only to recant and blame Ukraine after reports of civilian casualties. Fact you posted this up with the narrative spin of a false flag, so quickly, speaks volumes.
Anon 12:47
I am not implying anything but reporting both sides of the story.
And I always post new reports as more information comes in.
I have always commented that in all conflicts wartime propaganda rules and no one should be trusted.
I should know. WNU has been posting, documenting, and commenting on wars for the past 15 years.
That is why I always post multiple sources, update when new information becomes available, and let you decide on what you feel is accurate. Whether you like it or not.
Keep up the good work WNU Ed. Keep ducking 🙈
Look at all the little comment monkies upset that the war hysteria has worn off enough for people to start looking at evidence before coming to a conclusion.
They recovered part of the fuselage of the missile. There will be serial numbers. There will be serial numbers and therefore a pedigree.
"The E3 look-down radar has a 360° view of the horizon, and has a range of more than 320km at operating altitudes"
Kramatorsk is 3 times beyond the range of an AWACS.
An American plane could operate in Western Ukraine somewhat safely to collect elint and other information.
All the conspiracy tinfoil hats coming to the defense of WNU, who honestly believes Ukraine will attack its own people, in a false flag, that will leave evidence behind, while the propaganda war is going in their favor? Apparently the author (who was also spry to post allegations that Bucha was Ukraine's doing as well) and a few of his dedicated war lovers.
Anon 1:57PM
Never personally said Bucha was Ukraine's doing.
My anti-war sentiments are well known by my many readers.
How Allies Used Math Against German Tanks
How Allies used serial numbers in Nazi tanks to figure out the German tank production per month
Are NATO intel services scouring battlefield wreckage? I would hope so. If the past is prologue to the present, they are.
So why are not journalists digging into to this as well. Is journalism more than standing in the rain in a raincoat, hanging onto a palm tree n a hurricane or reporting from the scene of an accident?
Hard evidence not there yet but
Countries invaded in recent years by russia 4 ukraine 0
Cities totaly destroyed by agression russia dozens ukraine 0
Civilians killed as agressor russia 100000x ukraine 0
War crimes comitted russia 10000x ukraine 1(?) If the torture of csptive soldiers to believe
Gee! Who would be the one striking Kramatorsk wnu?
1:57 it's not about belief buddy. It's about demonstrable evidence. And if you seriously can't think of a motivation for the side that's military maneuver for weeks has been to attend zoom calls around the world asking for intervention, then you're a dishonest actor and not worth the effort.
HOW MANY HOSPITALS THUS FAR BOMBED?
WAS THIS DONE BY
1. UKRAINE
2. JAPAN
3. RUSSIA
4. NONE OF THE ABOVE
5. ALL OF THE ABOVE
death is truth or is it love
You never do say it directly. You got a talent for pushing the view without the need to directly imply.
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