Fighting has forced at least 300,000 of Donetsk's one million residents to flee [Reuters]
Ukraine Crisis: Army Pounds Rebels In Donetsk -- BBC
Ukraine's military has pounded the main pro-Russian rebel stronghold of Donetsk with artillery fire, causing massive damage throughout the city.
A military spokesman said the rebels were in "panic and chaos" and had begun to desert en masse.
Ukraine is mulling the possibility of allowing a humanitarian mission into the area, as residents struggle without power or reliable sources of food.
Some 1,500 people are estimated to have died since the conflict began in April.
Rebels sparked the four-month battle when they overran large swathes of the east and declared independence from Ukraine.
Read more ....
Ukraine Civil War News Updates -- August 10, 2014
Ukrainian forces encircle rebel-held city, talk of truce collapses -- Reuters
Fighting rages in Donetsk despite truce call -- Al Jazeera
Ukraine Demands Rebels Surrender as Fighting Rages in Donetsk -- VOA
Ukraine Demands That Rebels in Donetsk Surrender -- AP
Ukraine: No cease-fire until rebels surrender -- USA Today
Ukraine Troops 'Tighten the Ring' Around Donetsk -- WSJ
Bombardment continues in Ukraine, no truce in sight -- Deutsche Welle
Donetsk militia ready for ceasefire to prevent further humanitarian catastrophe -- RT
Donetsk Rebels Open to Truce With Strongolds Under Siege -- Bloomberg Businessweek
Ukrainian rebels say they ready for ceasefire -- Reuters
Ukrainian rebels ready for a ceasefire -- Al Jazeera
Ukraine crisis: Poroshenko 'to consider aid mission' -- BBC
Poroshenko Tells Merkel Humanitarian Mission to Luhansk Under Consideration -- RIA Novosti
U.S. warns Russia not to intervene in Ukraine under 'peacekeeping' pretext -- CNN
Russians warned not to use humanitarian crisis as 'pretext' to invade Ukraine -- The Telegraph
Ukraine Says Stops Russian Troops Invading, Moscow Calls Statement 'Fairy Tale' -- Reuters
Moscow denies Ukraine claims of Russian military infiltration attempt -- RT
US warns Russia that Ukraine aid delivery would be ‘viewed as an invasion’ -- Euronews
Ukraine Strategy Bets on Restraint by Russia -- Andrew E. Kramer, NYT
12 comments:
I was hoping for better news. Hope got in the way of logic.
"Kiev Mayor Vitali Klitschko lends a hand to help clear up the barricades in the city’s riot-torn Independence Square as rebels in the east declare that they’re open to a cease-fire "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720787/Kiev-Mayor-Vitali-Klitschko-lends-hand-help-clear-barricades-city-s-riot-torn-Independence-Square-rebels-east-declare-open-cease-fire.html
Where the red line goes? Its called a border and If the russians cross it its called INVASION! Its a internal problem... stay out.
The scenario i wrote about meant that if Russia invades Ukraine and take control of the east, will Poroshenko be crazy enouth to declare war against Russia and in worst case end up with a whole Russian Ukraine. Thats what i meant with "Red line" if Russia invades Ukraine, will Ukraine cross the "red line" which is declaring war with Russia if Russia invades. Sorry if it was a bit bad formulated. By the way i am Norwegain not Russian and are not involved in the conflict just sharing my opinions, so dont be afraid i dont have any influence in this crisis. Its just to lean back and see where the whole thing goes. I am a pro Russian symphetiser and support the Russians in this Ukraine crisis. Thats my opinion, will be interesting to see where the whole crisis are going. Ps sorry if this is bad formulated.
"will Ukraine cross the "red line" which is declaring war with Russia if Russia invades."
Why don't you substitute words (nouns) to see, if your statement makes sense.
"Will Norway cross the "red line" which is declaring war with Sweden if Sweden invades."
"Will France cross the "red line" which is declaring war with Germany if Germany invades."
There is a "de facto war", if a country INVADES another country. Whether political elites want to admit it or not is another matter.
Putin knows the political elites from third party countries do not want to admit it, so he is "boiling the frog".
The borders were badly drawn when the Soviet union dissolved. A plebiscite would have been much better. That said I do not think that countries generally allow such plebiscites.
IMHO things should not have been done this way and it bodes ill for the future.
Ok thank you :) I know that Russia and Ukraine are "tecknicaly" in war, but i hope Ukraine dosent try to invade Russia with troops if Russia invades Ukraine. Thats a clearer context i hope.
Is Poroshenko or Putin crazy?
Is Poroshenko crazy only because he has a weak hand?
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I like what WNU update suggested about a federated system with a great deal of autonomy. And like he said it is probably too late for such a solution. That in no way excuses Putin.
Its not because he has a weak hand,there are several thing i dont like with Poroshenko, and yes Putin has some issues that i hope will get sorted out. One of the biggest issuses i have with Poroshenko is that he is waging war in Eastern Ukraine and dosent take good enouth precausions to save inocent civilians. Just look at all those bombings of Lugansk and Donetsk. He dosent want a ceasfire because he think he will win. He is about to storm Donetsk which can lead to many thousands dying. Thats some of my reasongs that i am not so fond of Poroshenko. I know Putin is a form of dictator but he is good at holding "order" in Russia. That is what will give him an advatage if he invades Eastern Ukraine, the people there will be happy to get peace and order. I am perfectly fine with Poroshenko controling Ukraine but he shuld stop the ATO and try to negotiate a referendum. Thats my opinion, thank you for asking questions.
Thank you Aizino Smith for remembering my remarks a while back on why a federated system is an option that should be considered. I pushed such a proposal through my contacts in Kiev .... I even got a senior official in Canada's foreign office who was more than eager to go to Kiev to talk about Canada's experience with a federated system. Unfortunately .... Poroshenko is not interested (he just wants a conventional military victory), and the rebels are too divided to think of any other options except independence. I am now looking at the long game .... a political solution will need to be worked out and some accommodations and compromises will need to be done. I give it 2-3 years before we are at that stage again.
As for the Russians .... they are undecided on supporting such an option. The reason is not Ukraine (which they would actually support) .... nope .... their fear is that the regions in Russia may push for the same deal .... and Moscow hates to lose any power and/or influence.
WNU,
I am an irredentist as much as the next guy. I realize that about my nature.
I see that the Gruber–De Gasperi Agreement solved the South Tyrol situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tyrol#Gruber-De_Gasperi_Agreement
I have heard no one belly aching about South Tyrol. I have heard of many other groups or wanna be leaders for groups such as the Basques, Catalans, Sorbs, Scots and others.
A federated system would be an easy sell for anybody, who is Tea Party in Washington (not many).
So I remember what you said, it comports with
I think your analysis is spot on.
Maybe Poroshenko can be blackmailed into supporting a federated system. Does not matter if the blackmail come out, so long it does not come until after things have knitted together mended for a few years or several years. If Ukraine is like China, then anyone, who is high up, has done something. I would rather blackmail a politicians who has done something than go through a bloody battle (I would fell much better about it).
I have no ideal on how to get Moscow to sign on to such an ideal other than to create a poll and ask the Russian street if they like the ideal. Such a push poll I am sure would be "popular". That could take several months to a few years.
Just finished reading the Wikipedia entry on the Gruber–De Gasperi Agreement. Thank you for the link .... I never knew that such an agreement existed. I always enjoy reading this stuff.
WNU,
If you are who you say you are, I would hope you push an ideal like this and that you would be successful
Gruber–De Gasperi Agreement.
I am just a guy who now lives in the Laurentians of Quebec .... far away from Moscow and Kiev. But I still have some friends and I am a part of a big family back in the old country (Russia and Ukraine). We all love to talk politics, and while I am not in the game anymore, my friends still hold some key positions in both governments that help formulate policy.
The Gruber–De Gasperi Agreement .... a fascinating document and an agreement that settled a European problem. I am definitely going to bone up on this. I am grateful for this lead.
On a side note .... this simple blog has had almost 4 million visitors and 10,000,000 page views (according to Google) in just the past few years. Aizino .... you will be amazed (like I always am) on who actually reads this blog .... including the comments section. So what you post may actually perk the interest of someone who can make a difference. You just never know.
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