U.S. News And World Report: Trump Slams North Korea, China in Twitter Outburst
President-elect continues unorthodox means of communicating policy ideas.
President-elect Donald Trump is starting the new year in high dudgeon, sniping at countries that have displeased him and gloating about his victory in the November election.
It's par for the course for Trump, a billionaire real-estate developer who has never held elective office and who pledged during the campaign to shake Washington to its core and do things his way.
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If I was in charge I would let China know that considering NKorea now in position to deploy nuclear weapons on viable weapons that the US will support her regional allies deployment of deterrence, i.e. Japan maybe even SKorea of domestic nuclear deterrent. China would of course sh*t itself at the idea of nuclear capable Japan and just maybe willing to finally put real effort in reining in their chain dog.
Of course no on in the US really wants a nuclear Japan or SKorea but those nations would not be regularly talking about nuking their neighbors either. Small thought for the US but huge threat to a China directly caused by their chain dog that is supposed to be a plausible deniable assist not negative.
I agree with C-Low
The U.S. should give its blessing to Japan seeing nukes. Maybe 200 or more.
It would nice to see the Communist Party of China taking a collective dump.
they have been using North Korea as a cat's paw for so long that we someone to slap them down.
Someone smarter than Bubba Clinton or the Boy King Obama. that would not be an especially tall order.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework
Not China's fault at all. China's been the "adult" trying to keep the Korean Penninsula stable, while the NORK's, the US and South Korea are still playing with matches.
Jay,
You are good in military technology, no problem, but in policy are you on the side of the dictatorship? You must have a huge magnifier for seeing the efforts of China to rein North Korea.
The North Korean hermit kingdom is governed by crazy children:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/542120/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-backpacks-kim-jong-un
North Korea is China's wet dream, why support china when it is clearly supporting North Korea?
Answer:
To support a globalist agenda and other leftist fantasies.
China has done nothing to stabilize the region and reign in nth korea.
Agree with C-Low and Aizino and have been pushing for this for years. Not only are the reasons nentioned spot on as I couldn't have expressed it better myself, such a policy allows the US to redeploy it's forces away from these areas and should help improve relations between us and these important nations of Japan and South Korea.
China's being supplying the food and oil that the US was supposed to under the Agreement.
That's all that keeps North Korea from imploding, with unintended consequences.
The US was also supposed to build a nuclear reactor that couldn't be used to make fissile grade byproducts, but they never even finished the foundation.
So the NORK's fired up their old Soviet reactors again, ( for the energy) but also the byproducts, enough fissile material enough to make 4 or 5 crude nukes a year.
The question is, what do you want to see happen?
The NORKs , nukes and their 2 million man army implode like Lybia?
Or The NORKs being in the position of Zimbabwe, with Mugabe holding his death bed election and no appointed sucessor, and even the Army turning against his politics? That's China's goal.
LMAO,
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.ca/2017/01/us-military-drills-evacuation-of.html?m=1
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Martinez understates the chaos that would occur in the opening salvo of a war between North and South Korea. The number of artillery shells that would be raining on Seoul would boggle the mind (what's left unsaid is the fact that N.Korean Special Ops will be swarming all over the place killing anything that moves). The idea that the US military could actually pull off an evacuation of civilians in the middle of that fight is stupid on a stick. The 2nd ID would be fighting for its very existence. They wouldn't have time to evacuate the wife and kids."
South Korea would prevail:
https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/03/11/why-north-korea-cant-flatten-seoul/
Thousands would die.....not very funny.
NLMAO
That is a good CNN report Jay. Thanks for the link. I am going to use it.
The big fear in Seoul in the event of war would not be nuclear weapons, North Korean special forces, or tanks and infantry swarming the border. The big fear is the artillery. The destruction that a few thousand artillery pieces can do in a few hours is incomprehensible.
The implosion of North Korea is also something that will be hard to digest for both South Korea and China. The military forces, aid, and the international cooperation that would be necessary .... it boggles the mind.
WNU
The biggest anticipated cost of a North Korean artillery barrage in response to an attack would be the at least partial destruction of Seoul. But the volume of fire that the North can direct against the South Korean capital is limited by some important factors. Of the vast artillery force deployed by the North along the border, only a small portion — Koksan 170-mm self-propelled guns, as well as 240-mm and 300-mm multiple launch rocket systems — are capable of actually reaching Seoul. Broadly speaking, the bulk of Pyongyang's artillery can reach only into the northern border area of South Korea or the northern outskirts of Seoul.
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/how-north-korea-would-retaliate
Millions actually, the NORK's have nukes,
And it's not clear if South Korea and the US would "win". They are outnumbered almost 4:1, and 80% of South Korea's population and industry is in range of NORK artillary.
Task Force Smith didn't fare well last time, and I doubt the West has the ability to pull off a Pusan defence then an Inchon anymore.
"something that will be hard to digest for both South Korea and China. The military forces, aid, and the international cooperation that would be necessary .... it boggles the mind."
Some minds. Others think handing out nukes like candy solves all the problems.
It's believed that the NORK's have 3 to 6 Kosun Batteries, 36 to72 guns deployed, that's 36 to 72 rounds every 2.5 minutes.
There would also be the "rain" of 300mm and 240mm rockets, 8 per launcher, every 12 minutes.
Nobody knows how many KN-09's exist, but the NORK's have around 200 of the M-1985 and M-1991.
That's 14 the "rain" Dresden experienced in WWII, and the NORK's would probably include CBW, thermobarics and any odd nuke they could toss into the mix.
80% of South Korea's population and industry is in range of NORK artillary.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_South_Korea_by_population
Nope...That's factually incorrect
Most of north Korea's artillery doesn't have the range.
It's best is almost 38 miles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koksan_%28artillery%29
And there 250mm & 300mm aren't in significant quantities, and that's not even getting into how accurate they will be.
KN-09, 120 km
Luna-M, 100 km
PGM, 360 km
F-110, 350 km
KN-02, 140km
H-5, 330 km
H-6, 500 km
S-ER, 700 km
Rodong, 900 -1500km
South Korea, from the most northernly part of the DMZ, to it's most southern island cluster, is 1,100 km long.
Jay
Quantities, accuracy, rate of fire are missing.
Your over stating the North's military effectiveness.
The south has mechanized superiority along with unquestioned air supremacy.
LMAO.
" In late 1953, Piroth was given command of the artillery force at Dien Bien Phu by its commander Colonel Christian de Castries. The French artillery at Dien Bien Phu comprised only 30 medium and heavy guns, although large stocks of shells were airlifted into the zone before the siege began. Concern was expressed by de Castries and others that the artillery firepower available might prove inadequate in the event of Viet Minh attack, but the experienced Piroth responded that the Viet Minh would only be able to move a small number of light artillery pieces through the steep jungle covered hills that surrounded the valley of Dien Bien Phu and that his guns, if well situated, would be capable of dominating the battlefield."
"The opening phases of the battle began with three days of heavy bombardment by the Viet Minh forces led by General Giap. The outmatched defending artillery was unable to adequately assist besieged French forces on two outlying hills, Gabrielle and Beatrice. Both these fortresses fell quickly to the Viet Minh. Piroth fell into heavy depression due to the failure of his artillery to support the defenders and to nullify the Viet Minh artillery before the battle began, as he had promised.[3]
On 15 March 1954, having circled the camp to apologize to various fellow officers, Piroth returned to his bunker and removed the pin from a grenade clutched to his chest, blowing himself up.[3] He was buried secretly in his bunker, and his death was covered up for several days until newspapers dropped on the camp notified the men, the news of the death having been leaked to the paper from an unknown source.[3]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Piroth
You may not have noticed, but air superiority hasn't won many wars, more so of late. It also didn't fare so well last time around in Korea.
Russian air power was instrumental in winnning Assad Aleppo!.....that's a fact.
Artillery won't win the hypothetical war of the Korea's, men that have something to fight for will. You haven't stated the quantities, accuracy, or rate of fire.
Like I said your overstating the North's capabilities!
War has changed since the 1950's
LMAO
He doesn't look as fat on a well feed horse:
https://i1.wp.com/skeptoid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kim-jong-un-horse.jpg
The south has the morale.
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/NovDec08/spplyline_war.html
4.5 million South Korean patriots.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Korea_Reserve_Forces
Actually, if you read Col. Pat Lang and Patrick Bezard, on Aleppo, both SAAF and RUASF airpower was insignificant.
The RUASF hasn't bombed Aleppo since December 11th.
AirSuperiority didn't stop the second fall of Palmyria.
OIR claims it's killed over 50,000 ISIS fighters, ( CIA estimates were 35,000 ISIS total) with tens of thousands remaining.
Afghanistan, Lybia, Somalia, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria, Iraq, Total Air Superiority and yet, 15 years ( and more later) the wars grind on, and in many places, The West is losing.
LMAO....Russian propaganda, using it's Air Force for no reason.
And you haven't clarified North Korea's artillery capabilities, because your overstating it.
More propaganda:
http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=30331
LMAO, Iraq Cakewalk.
Everyone overestimates nth koreas artillary, they have this, they have that blah blah.
Exactly what the exoerts said about Saddams 4th largest military and the pentagon super computers that oredicted coalition casualities in the tens of thousands.
Yes the Nth will fire off 1000s of rounds for a very short time until they ate silenced by the FAR more accurate and lethal u.s and sth korean weaponary and devestating air support.
The u.s will have no qualms carpet bombing forward nth positions.
What happened in the 50s has zero televance to how modern warefare will play out against a foe who not only has zero experience in it, but who will be fighting deaf and blind from the word go.
Difference is Dresden wad a completley defenceless city with no defensive or offensive capability.
Its not like the Nth can just fire away uninterrupted like its a peace time drill.
Airpower may not have won many wars as it cant hold and seize ground but it sure as hell wiped artillery pieces, armour, and airpower from the face of the earth and tendered entire divisions combat ineffective and brought nations to the negotiating table.
LMAO back at ya lol.just lol
LMAO back at ya lol.just lol
Airpower may not have won many wars as it cant hold and seize ground but it sure as hell wiped artillery pieces, armour, and airpower from the face of the earth and tendered entire divisions combat ineffective and brought nations to the negotiating table.
Difference is Dresden wad a completley defenceless city with no defensive or offensive capability.
Its not like the Nth can just fire away uninterrupted like its a peace time drill.
Gotta wonder if JabberJay is some dirty, flea infested Leftist that borrowed some ones name from a phone book and posts as that person hoping that person is not on the net or is not on this portion of the net.
As to who will "win", we cannot "know" for certain until the battle is fought. Hopefully we will never have to "know."
With that said what we do know is the casualties will be VERY high on the US/South Korea side. Casualties on the North Korean side would likely be high as well. Furthermore US casualties are unlikely to be limited to those personnel in South Korea. North Korean operatives already in the US will probably mount attacks against targets in the United Sates with very likely killing millions.
A nuclear armed South Korea would help to provide a buffer against North Korea. while there may be some risks, South Korea has been less hostile and disagreeable to the United States than most have been and much less hostile than North Korea. I'd expect South Korea to pursue nuclear weapons at some point in the near future anyway with or without the United States, however, it would likely be good optics to the South Korean people if we offered to assist and should help us improve relations with this very important country.
Like the Viet Mihn, who buried their artillary in front slope 155mm proofed bunkers, on prepositioned firing lines, so that only a small hole for the gun barrel was needed, at Dien bien Phu,
The NORK's have buried a lot of their artillary in the rock of the mountains.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2003-12-07/news/0312060129_1_north-korea-south-korea-underground
Initially, French counterbattery fire, could hit the Viet Mihn bunkers, but only a direct hit on the barrel slot would take out the gun. The French guns however, were in sandbagged positions to allow 360 degree support fire, and one by one, were taken out of the fight.
LMAO
Airpower didn't do much in the Korean War.
Koreas what's called "difficult" terrain.
Apparently, you didn't get the memo.
The NORKs arn't on the mountains,
They are in the mountains.
Lol they can stay in there whilst the military infrastructure burns
Still hedging bets on artillery, with troops hiding in mountains like rats?
Still overstating the hermit kingdoms effectiveness.
North Korea will start a war because it's there only advantage and they'll pay the price for it!
The the North has nothing to fight for, that's why they'll disappear like a fart in the wind!
LMAO
Lol they can stay in there whilst the military infrastructure burns
Phil l agree 100%, l wouldnt be surprised if their was a coup as soon as the jdams started dropping.
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