Stephen Kinzer, Boston Globe: Saudi Arabia is destabilizing the world
JUST A FEW months ago, the governor of Indonesia’s largest city, Jakarta, seemed headed for easy re-election despite the fact that he is a Christian in a mostly Muslim country. Suddenly everything went violently wrong. Using the pretext of an offhand remark the governor made about the Koran, masses of enraged Muslims took to the streets to denounce him. In short order he lost the election, was arrested, charged with blasphemy, and sentenced to two years in prison.
This episode is especially alarming because Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, has long been one of its most tolerant. Indonesian Islam, like most belief systems on that vast archipelago, is syncretic, gentle, and open-minded. The stunning fall of Jakarta’s governor reflects the opposite: intolerance, sectarian hatred, and contempt for democracy. Fundamentalism is surging in Indonesia. This did not happen naturally.
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WNU Editor: Could not have said it better myself. On a side note .... From American College Campuses to ISIS Camps: How Hundreds of Saudis Joined ISIS in the U.S. (Ali al-Ahmed & Mohamed Dhamen, Institute for Gulf Affairs). Hat tip to Jay for this link.
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No different than siding with the USSR after it invaded:
Poland
Finland
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Stole massive amounts of land (Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina) from Romania.
Katyn Massacre (14K massacred)
Stole land from Poland after WW2.
Now if the man-child, Obama, had supported the Persian Spring in 2009 instead of sitting on his hands, we could have been supporting Iran against Saudi Arabia.
If JabberJay did not vote for Obama in 2008, he certainly wanted to.
Then there is the totally fucked up and idiot Democrat policies when it comes to energy.
Here is a thought. Is Jabber pro or anti oil sands?
I am sure Jabber has a very firm opinion on this subject.
I pass
Fred,
Go ahead & pass rube.
We could start with the DhimmiKKKrat policy of all solar all the time.
We could compare it to the non-Demoncat policy of all of the above (Solar, wind, wave, Gulfstream, nuclear, coal, fracking, gas, geothermal, ...).
We could do without Saudi oil.
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/where-does-america-get-oil-you-may-be-surprised
We'd have to tighten our belts, but we could do it.
Not sure if we could do Saudi support against Iran.
Are the Iranian backstabbing us? Sure they are. So are the Pakistanis. We still pay them.
Then Iran is front-stabbing us. That is addition to supporting Al Qaeda. That they did gratis.
Every apply for medical cannibas? might help.
Ever wait in line with scarecrow for a brain?
You seem to be lacking one.
More on the corrupt Demoncats. You know, people the Lefties and libtards here would vote for.
"The report says Holder considered the officer's family a "nuisance" because they were trying to get him to tell them how exactly the lawman died at the hands of gangsters who were wielding guns Obama's DOJ had allowed them to buy."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/10/saving-the-saudis-200310/amp
LMFAO,
Bandar Bush,
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/08/05/politics/28-pages-saudi-prince-bandar-9-11/index.html
LMFAO
The Saudis , the Iranians, and pretty much ever major world power are simply to powerful for the United States to confront.
"The Saudis are simply too powerful for the United States to confront." - B Poster.
I let that statement stand on its own.
P.S. A Poster was on vacay.
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. Every time I think on Saudi Arabia I am reminded of that. While the United States is to weak to confront the Saudis militarily or to directly confront them in any meaningful way, it would be a good idea not to activeky support them. For examole, the weapons deal the US and the Saudis made needs to be canceled on our end.
While the Saudis would likely buy elsewhere or develop their own weapons and weapons systems in country, at least we wouldn't be supporting them. It'd also be a good idea to bar Saudis from entering the US, expelling the ones who are here, or at the very least to closely monitor the Saudis who are here.
Furthermore if the assets of all who are of Saudi descent currently in the US are siezed this could be used to compensate the victims of the 9/11 attacks. In this case, these people might self deport.
Combine these approaches with a proper deployment of US military forces and it may just give us a fighting chance to defend America. Extreme care will need to be taken in the planning and execution of this as the US simply is not strong enough to confront Saudi Arabia and win.
Aizino,
"Is A Poster on cacation?" To funny. Lol!!
Now, very respectfully, Persian Spring or no Persian Spring Iran is not going ti help us. At best, it'd be a case of "meet the new boss, same as the okd boss" in terms of anti-Americanism. The new "boss" might have been worse.
With no prospects for improved relations by meddling and a real chance at making things worse, BHO wisely, in this case, chose to stay out of it. At one time, we may have been able to work through Russia to have them assist us in restraining Iran. In exchange for adjusting NATO and changes to our posture in Eastern Europe this may have yielded positive fruit. Unfortunately the diplonatic process with Russia has been shot to hel!, at least for now.
As such, while I HATE game analogy for things this serious, America has a very weak hand here that has only gotten weaker. While my analysis could be wrong, if I'm right, it is urgent that America's foreign policy be completely changed.
I'd suggest being more like Canada and Australia. These would be good ideals for America to aim for.
the quote is:
"P.S. A Poster was on vacay."
If did not spell vacation as cacation.
Maybe you are trying a little Spanish lingo there.
The Saudis Have 2 thing sin their favor and they both are asymmetric.
1) They build mosques all over the world to expand their system.
2) They support terrorism. It is not as overt as Libya or Iraq, but it is there. No Democrat nor Republican administration nor majority of Congressmen/women will spell out exactly how (If you spell it out and call attention to it, the it becomes an issue. So they keep mum. The press play along except to pipe up occasionally to make it look like they do something honest.). Either the government or rich private individuals support it through $$$. then again many people from Boston supported the IRA.
The IRA fundraised in the U.S. in the past.
So there are these tards screaming tards bellyaching about Saud Arabia. I do not hear them grouse about Pakistan, a backstabbing ally, or Iran , an Al Qaeda enable and supporter.
Yes we need to do something about Saudi Arabia just like we need to do something about Iran and Pakistan. But do we need to do something immediately . After all the U.S was a bedfellow of the USSR for 4 years and the Russians kept our planes (TU-4) and did not give them back.
The Saudi terrorist deprogramming centers are a failure and it seems purposefully so. Obama did nothing about it.
Correction
"I did not spell vacation as cacation."
BTW, there is no Trump/Saudi Arms deal.
It's Statements of Interest, and Considerations to Buy, with no:
- money changing hands,
- detailed contracts for supply,
- contracts for training,
- contracts for maintenece,
- delivery dates.
Basically a bunch of "maybe's" dating back to Obama.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/amp/
Anzino's always been a big Saudi whore, he was one of the thousands Adolph Twitler claims he saw dancing in Jersey after 9/11.
I'm glad the Indonesian solar eclipse was last year. Not traveling anywhere this year or anytime soon.
The big problem is the Saudis money and our so called leaders blowing them for it.I put it crudely but I'm right on the money, so to speak.
Aizino,
You're right. Vaycay as opposed to vacation. I generally try to read the posts multiple times before commenting. In this case I was to busy laughing to read either what you typed or what I typed as carefully as I should have.
I largely agree with the two things you posted regarding Saudi Arabia. Try and confront them directly in a way that threatens them and they will likely unleash a wave of terrorist attacks on America that will make 9/11 seem small by comparison and they probably will include WMD attacks as well. When combined with the US's weakened military state a direct confrontatikn with the Saudis would be problematic at best.
IF the conclusion is we need to support Saudi Arabia in order to confront Iran AND Iran is the more dangerous threat AND we can trust our government to make these choices, then I could probably relucantly support such a policy out of necessity. Unfortunately the US government has shown itself to NOT be trustworthy either in its ability to conduct any kind of analysis and very likely in its honor and integrity as well.
Jay,
Thanks for the clarification of the arms deal. It seems to me in the case of Saudi Arabia and US foreign policy it is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss,"
Yup,
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5717157
Yup, back to 1940.
"Yup, back to 1940."
It is not that cut and dried your smugness.
Finland 1939?
Italian Ethiopia?
Manchukuo?
It is not clear where we are on the timeline.
History might repeat itself but never exactly.
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