Sunday, October 1, 2017

Is Trying To Talk With North Korea A Waste Of Time?



ABC News Online: Donald Trump tells Rex Tillerson he's 'wasting his time' trying to negotiate with 'Little Rocket Man'

US President Donald Trump says he has told Secretary of State Rex Tillerson not to waste his time trying to negotiate with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

Mr Trump's comments, which were posted on Twitter, came a day after Mr Tillerson disclosed that the United States was directly communicating with North Korea on its nuclear and missile programs but that Pyongyang had shown no interest in dialogue.

This was the first time the Trump administration had acknowledged it was in direct communication with Pyongyang.

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WNU Editor: Is it worthwhile to talk to North Korea? The new South Korean President has been trying since he was elected earlier this year .... to no avail .... North Korea turns down South Korean offer of talks (France 24). The Japanese gave up a long time ago .... much to the chagrin of the Chinese .... China tells Japan not to abandon dialogue over North Korea (Reuters). North Korea has also told everyone that they are not interested in any discussions that concern their nuclear and missile programs .... something the Russians learned this past week .... Russia In Secret Talks With North Korea (September 29, 2017). So is President Trump wrong when he told his Secretary of State to not waste his time on North Korea? Considering how everyone else has gone down this road .... and been disappointed .... President Trump's lack of enthusiasm is justified. And for those who believe that talks are possible .... aside from the rhetoric I have not seen any interest from Kim Jong-Un to go down this road .... something that even President Obama realized in the last few years of his Presidency .... Dear Barack Obama, Kim Jong-Un Wants to Talk (Newsweek).

More News On President Trump's Remarks That Talking To North Korea Is A Waste Of Time

Trump says envoy ‘wasting his time’ talking to North Korea -- AP
Trump to top U.S. diplomat: Don't bother talking to North Korea -- Reuters
Trump says Rex Tillerson 'wasting his time' with North Korea negotiations -- The Guardian
Trump to Tillerson: N Korea negotiations a waste of time -- BBC
Negotiating with NKorea a waste of time: Trump -- AFP
Trump Says Tillerson Is 'Wasting His Time' On Talks With North Korea -- NPR

26 comments:

D.Plowman said...

Talking is free.

War isn't.

fazman said...

Talking with Kim.produces zero results, war does.

War News Updates Editor said...

Fazman,
What concerns me right now is that this is the mindset of Kim Jung-Un.

fazman said...

I agree, at the moment talking is stalling and buying time as far as Kim is concerned.
I do get the feeling that he us feeling panicked and cornered his threats and bluster are not having the desired effect as with past administrations.
The message us crystal, renounce your nukes and dismantle your programme via diplomacy or it will be done for you by force.
No more negotiations no more summits, comply.

Unknown said...

"Talking is free. War isn't. " - Plowman

Neville Chamberlain talked. It was not very free. The Czechs and Slovaks lost their freedom.


Here is an ancient American proverb: "Talk is cheap."

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Talk+Is+Cheap

Actually I think the saying "Talk is Cheap" is in the Book of Proverbs verse 31:10–32

Unknown said...

If we were as ruthless as Vald Tepes, he would behave.

Jac said...

I know we are able to criticize Trump as much as we want, but his language which is completely "unusual" is working. The fear has changed side: NoKo threat Guam..., Threat to make a nuke in Pacific ocean, but nothing happens. Even China and Russia are very concerned, if we did that at the very beginning we will not be in this bad situation.

Bob Huntley said...

They should keep trying to get talks going in the faintest hope that there are segments of the population, perhaps in the leadership hierarchy in North Korea, who might become emboldened enough to overthrow Kim given the possibility of a non war solution. Talk is cheap but the fact is they aren't talking at all and making efforts to enter into talks, if nothing else, shows people of North Korea if they hear any outside news and the world efforts to avoid a war is ongoing.

From North Korea's perspective, given the criminal devastation through bombing inflicted on that country long years ago, there is no reason to wonder why they refuse to enter into talks.

Comparing what is going on now to what was going on in Neville Chamberlain's time is counter product and an exercise in apples to oranges thinking.

Anonymous said...

Common isn't it obvious that Trump plays the bad cop, and Tillerson the good cop in this comedy of foreign affairs?

Bob Huntley said...

Anon. The good cop bad cop scenario works really well when the subject who is generally not bright is in custody.

It is more like they are playing a game of chicken especially if they insist that disarmament of NK's nukes is a precondition to discussion or in other words, a precondition they know he cannot agree to. After all it is not Kim who is trying to enter into negotiations. Should he decide to surprise the world and agree to give up the nukes you can bet that the US will attack in a heartbeat such is their desire to use all that fire and manpower in the area, to put on a real show.

The real danger of course is that he will snap and launch a nuke or two with the most likely targets being SK and Japan. From Trump's perspective he is safe and he doesn't care one iota for the possibility that hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million people could die as a result. In fact he is probably hoping for the confrontation. 'He is no peacemaker and would see the world burn if he could be king of the ashes' loosely quoted from GOT.

Trump and the US military love this game and keep the flag flying in NK's collective face all they can. Troops stationed nearby in several locations, war ships everywhere and war planes flying all over keeping the rat in the corner trapped.

If the President of SK wants to keep trying the negotiation path they should not get in his way.

Bob Huntley said...

Aisino having trouble formulating your response to my question? Is the Navy Seal children killer your hero?

fazman said...

Exactly,his bluff is being called and he's panicked

Bob Huntley said...

fazman

"Talking with Kim.produces zero results, war does."

And just what positive results were produced by the US wars of convenience such as

Vietnam
Afghanistan
Iraq II

In fact the results of those wars is so hugely negative the US has not, nor will it ever emerge on the plus side.

fazman said...

Criminal bombing?

fred said...

N.K. makes threat...does nothing,. See, Trump position working...think not. Citing Chamberlain is a different situation, and, does the commenter then suggest by implication he should attack. If that is what is meant, say so

Unknown said...

Bob Huntley

I can answer. Some of us have jobs. We are not on welfare or are Soros paid Trolls.

Iraq II was not a war of convenience. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Iraq then violated the armistice.

You are not going to last long, if you win a war, but then let people walk all over you. Just because your tender behind was never in a cockpit does not mean that allowing the Saddam regime to paint our planes is a good thing.

Korea and Vietnam were not wars of convenience. Both South Korea and South Vietnam were invaded.

Bob Huntley said...

fazman

Criminal bombing - https://www.sott.net/article/348512-The-Korean-War-Americans-have-forgotten-what-we-did-to-North-Korea

Unknown said...

So someone had the temerity to post something from besotted.net, which was originally from vox

Poor blighter he must be scarred for life.

I bet the blighter would have been okay with another 20 million Soviet dead and another 1 million American dead just to get the bombing campaign pristine.

I looked at the picture that the blighter cried real tears over. There were smokestacks in the background. It was an industrial area. I bet the blighter would want the USAF fly lower and slower to make sure each and every bomb is on target so that 60 years later in his recliner he feels all warm of fuzzy about himself.

I wonder if the blighter has visited The Bridge over the River Kwai? It is nothing like the Hollywierd movie.

Maybe the blighter can watch "The Great Raid".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326905/


Raid at Cabanatuan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_at_Cabanatuan

Thoroughly disgusted

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