Daily Mail: Iran's supreme leader attacks Trump's '10 lies' and says 'America can't do a damn thing' as politicians set FIRE to US flag, chant 'Death to America' and vow to keep spending on ballistic missiles amid fallout over nuclear deal
* Iranian politicians torched US flag, chanting 'death to America' in parliament
* Fury in Tehran over Donald Trump's decision to pullout of Iran nuclear agreement
* Trump to impose sanctions and punish countries helping Iran's pursuit of nukes
* 'America will not be held hostage to nuclear blackmail,' the US President said
* US allies in Europe begged Trump to stay in the pact ahead of his announcement
* Iran's supreme leader warned this morning that the US 'cannot do a damn thing'
Iran's Supreme Leader has warned 'America can't do a damn thing' as politicians burned a US flag in parliament in the wake of Donald Trump's withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear deal.
Without elaborating, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei accused the US President of '10 lies' during his explosive annoucement yesterday and warned his country not to trust America, Britain, France and Germany.
His comments came as Iranian politicians chanted 'death to America', set fire to a US flag and a symbolic copy of the Iran deal and vowed to continue spending on the country's ballistic missile program.
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REACTION FROM IRAN
Iran lawmakers burn US flag in parliament -- AFP
Iran MPs burn paper US flag in Parliament after Donald Trump pulls out of nuclear deal -- ABC News Online
'Death to America': WATCH Iranian MPs Burn US Flag Protesting Nuke Deal Exit -- Sputnik
Iran’s top leader, lawmakers lash out at US on nuclear deal -- AP
Iranians react with sadness, defiance to Trump -- AFP
Iran's Khamenei says will quit nuke deal without European guarantees -- AFP
After smiling diplomacy, Iran's Zarif watches nuclear deal collapse -- Reuters
INTERNATIONAL REACTION
Europe fights to save Iran nuclear deal after US pullout -- AFP
Europeans scramble to save Iran deal after Trump reneges -- Reuters
Europe, China defend Iran nuclear deal after US pullout -- AFP
Britain tells Trump: spell out how you will deal with Iran now -- Reuters
Germany aims to shield firms after U.S. withdrawal from Iran deal -- Reuters
Russia's Putin deeply concerned at USA leaving Iran deal: RIA -- Reuters
Erdogan says US will 'lose in the end' over Iran deal pullout -- AFP
Iraq foreign ministry says Trump's decision on Iran 'hasty and rash' -- Reuters
Iraq president regrets Trump decision to quit Iran accord -- Reuters
COMMENTARIES AND ANALYSIS
Iran's possible responses to Trump's nuclear decision -- AFP
Iran's Rouhani seen as lame duck after Trump ditches deal -- Parisa Hafezi, Reuters
Nuclear deal’s opponents seek tougher stance on Iran -- AP
Companies That Rushed Into Iran Now Prepare to Rush Back Out -- Bloomberg
Factbox: Iran's deals with foreign firms since easing of sanctions in 2015 -- Reuters
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Europe is getting burned by Trump and the Euro's have only themselves to blame. They all got in bed with the Democratic party during the 2016 election and invested with a Hillary Presidency. The insults from Euro political figures hurled against Trump was unprecedented, in my memory.
In fact the Paris and Iran deals were just that under US law, a deal. Deals can easily be broken or re-negotiated but US Treaties can't, at least not easily. Why didn't the Euro's push Obama to submit both to the Senate for approval? Because the US Senate wouldn't approve them, so they gambled and lost. Tough for them.
Now on to the next gamble by the Euro's. Trump has been plain that he doesn't value NATO as much as the Euro's for the simple fact the benefits are a one way street favoring the Euro's. He's been plain he expects the Euro's to start paying their full share, even owing the US billions. Euro's are gambling Trump will do what past Presidents have done, drop it. I think they are making another mistake. If the Euro's fight back against US's Iran sanctions or otherwise undermine the security of our allies in the Middle East to benefit the Iranians, Trump might start the process of withdrawing US support for NATO until the Euro's step up and properly fund their own defense.
No wonder England, France, and Germany are crying like scalded cats; look at the companies doing business with the mullah.
Very good analyze anon.
I would add that the Euro cant fund their own defense and they never will, without cutting down the fundamental benefits everyone has enjoyed for decades.
The big elefant here on whats costs money is immigration, even illegal immigration. In Sweden illegal's have almost all the benefits as an ordinary citizens, as long as they hide from the police. Other government institutions are forbidden to report illegal's to the police. So as long as they hide they can collect welfare, even free dental (adult citizens don't have free dental. Think about that for a moment).
Now when the costs is skyrocketing the government decides to cut in healthcare, senior-citizen policys etc. And of course, defense budgets.
Now I'm well aware that Sweden isn't part of NATO (while free-riding it very much as an ordinary member) it's not hard to imagine what areas NATO members have to cut down if they have to spend on the defense budget. I'll give a hint: It's not immigration. It's a political suicide to start spending money on the defense budget in Europe. It will never happen, people will go banans if they do.
US should leave NATO, I've been telling that for a long time now, and see Europe scramble whatever dignity they have to save itself. Europe's politicians (with a few exceptions) are nothing more then self-indulgent, arrogant and ignorant people who often laugh at each other while increasing their own salary. Today's politicians are nothing more then modern day nobility.
Our own Swedish prime minister does never miss a chance to publicly down-talk Trump, while himself got laughed at, at the last live tv-debate for being stupid. I've never seen that before. There is something really wrong here..
Europe was "in bed' with America long before Obama or the Dems were in power...in fact, since we helped win WWII and rebuilt Germany and then worked to protect against Russia. Trump got badmouthed simply because of the person he is...biases do not help arugments
It’s nearly unanimous: foreign policy experts think Trump made the wrong choice on Iran
94 percent of scholars disapprove of Trump’s decision to pull out of the nuclear deal.
"Trump got badmouthed simply because of the person he is...biases do not help arguments"
Haha.. You're so biased that you don't even realize it when you are.
Just stop embarrassing yourself. It's holiday, take a break, relax.
Thank you for your inputs Anon and Hans.
Fred, your "citation" is from VOX via TRIP poll. "But when you ask experts on international relations, the decision isn’t very controversial at all: An astonishing 94 percent of scholars think the president made the wrong choice." The composition of this body are all components of liberation institutions, from public universities, to IGO's, NGO's etc and your pawning this off as a useful statistic for an argument against Trumps decision to withdraw. These people live and work in a failed echo chamber of circular reasoning and bandwagoning, who don't comprehend realism as it actually applies outside the substituted liberal reality they are inherently stuck in. Essentially, their opinions are next to useless and harmful to the longevity of western civilization. They are professional useless people.
Iran and the nnaazzee party
to all my detractors
Ok University people, NGOs, foreign policy experts, major media opion writers and leaders of european nations are ALL WRONG but you are right?
and just what expetise do you have. Please cite background for your knowledge
NGOs get government money
NGOs are parking places for politicians and staff temporarily out of power after the last election
NGS can be wrong.
Alrighty Fred, I will site all of the existing unclassified documents/evidence at the time arrangements were made, the material exposed thereafter, historical precedent, causality, etc.
"Ok University people, NGOs, foreign policy experts, major media opion writers and leaders of european nations are ALL WRONG but you are right? and just what expetise do you have. Please cite background for your knowledge"
These components are almost entirely comprised of liberals or leftists. They would never yield an inch acknowledging the merit and effectiveness of Trumps decision here. Obama was their infallible golden child who could do no wrong and wanted to leave a legacy; the last of which was just dismantled by Trump. You think that making fallacious appeals to those you consider "authorities" is what results in a cogent/sound argument that you expect those with any critical thinking skills to listen to? No matter your political alignment, a good argument will always be based on the facts and constructed in such a way that it is easy to interpret and understand. The Iran deal was a total bullshit, presidentially unilateral decision with little credibility and no basis for enforcement or realistic assurances for those making nearly all the disproportionate concessions.
These people that you cite to are pretty much all anti Trump and their bias reduces their critical thinking skills and objective political effectiveness to a bandwagon of hatred careening off a cliff. Aside from two degrees in International Security and Islamic/Arabic Studies, understanding basic critical thinking as shown above is what I will cite. This puts me a few steps ahead of your emotional fervor "Nah-ah never Trump" position.
The arguement seems to be that if Trump supporters are for dumping the treaty, then they are right; but those who want to keep the treaty are liberals etc and so they must perforce be wrong.
REASONS FOR KEEPING THE TREATY
I tend to believe in the IAEA more than Trump, who does not even know what the treaty is fully about
In the months prior to Trump’s announcement, TRIP polled 1,541 scholars and asked them a simple question: Would you approve of Trump’s policy to “withdraw US support from [the] Iran nuclear weapons agreement?” The result was clear: An incredibly high majority disapprove of Trump’s decision.
You might think this is just liberal academics being liberal. But international relations is a field with a long history of bitter internal debate on public policy, one that’s been deeply divided over everything from the Cold War to the Iraq War. This isn’t an echo chamber.
Trusting Iran was a terrible mistake (or rather, I don't believe it was a mistake given Obama policy). It is a rogue regime, it supports terrorism, it is an ideological enemy of the USA, we should assume it intends to get nukes and ballistic missiles, Trump not only made the right decision in pulling out and resuming sanctions but also kept yet another election promise (unlike Obamas promises, LOL)
fred, we all know that you are anti-trump on every post you make, either it is direct or indirect.
Even when Israel provides evidence of Irans nuclear activities, breaking this agreement, you still you arguing that Trump is wrong. There is no reasoning with you. I hope everyone sees that, because you're writing to no one.
It is clear that Iran is still seeking long-range nuclear ability's, the very core of this agreement was to counter that. This agreement is faulty when your beloved IAEA cant inspect all the other sites, they can only inspect 2 out of maybe 8-10 sites.
Hans
Is being anti trump a mental or emotional disorder? after all 3 million more Americans voted against him than for him, and his popularity has never even hit 50% in the time he has been in office. Must I be pro Trump to post comments here? Trump: a liar, serial sexual offender, refuses to reveal his income taxes. Changes his mind on every issue, constantly, attacks allies as well as enemies, unable to staff his many posts, hires the unqualified for key offices, puts in security places people unvetted or unable to secure security clearances, and on and on. In sum: he is fumbling failed president thus far
Israel has posted nothing that was not known by our intel in the past...
Try Pascal's wager: what is there to gain by keeping the treaty? what is there to lose by dumping it? Iran has the go ahead to make nukes and we can only stop them by attacking. We have alienated our allies. We signal to North Korea that we do not keep treaties we make.
Look, ultimately this is not a a right or left debate. Either the deal was more bad than it was good or vise versa. That is the debate here. The deal enabled Iran to become very wealthy very quickly, and secure an economic position that would be harder to reverse and dismantle the longer it was allowed to continue. Military sites were not allowed to be inspected. SOME SITES WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE INSPECTED. verification by the IAEA could only be done in the agreed locations. THE IAEA COULD NOT INSPECT CERTAIN LOCATIONS. There was almost no enforcement mechanisms, etc. This was all done to just make a deal. This deal was poorly negotiated and simply could not prevent OR VERIFY the creation of nuclear weapons by Iran. The combination of a massive influx of money and increase in GDP for the country, and the simple inability to ensure that nuclear weapons would not be pursued concurrently makes this deal entirely absurd. Is this something you can comprehend? Who agrees to this?! Ive reviewed many of the arguments by major figures that are party to the poll that you cited, and they are uncogent, fallacy-ridden and absurd. It was founded on hope and faith. This is the issue with all the liberal institutions: they focus on the potential of an idealistic outcome whilst ignoring reality and the potential costs for having done so. "Be nice and people will be nice back". Best have the country remain poor and take years to acquire a weapon versus expedite the process playing Mr. nice guy and wonder what the fuck happened and then trying to negotiate with an adversary that is much more powerful than it would have been without the deal. People are so fucking absurd.
The broketreaty has already brought Iranian attacks to Syria see newno treaty and Iran has go ahead and next Saudis
Thanks to trump things will change at faster pace
Plan B, then, is ...well put back sanctions. Done. What will our allies do? How will Iran respond. I leave it to the wiser folks who comment here to give us the answers.
I think a cognizant case could be made for keeping the flawed agreement if we conclude its impossible to get anything better. We should not pretend this is a good agreement though. If we aren't going to try and alter this flawed agreenent, it needs to be explained to the American people that this is a flawed and one-sided agreement we are stuck with and why We're stuck with it.
To the best I can tell, Iran has been active in Syria for quite awhile and am sceptical that anything POTUS does or says is going change this in the short to mid term. For now, I agree with the analysis of the editor. The parties are going to renegotiate the agreement in a,manner that satisfies legitimate US concerns. The editor seems to indicate he thinks it's going to take a year. I think it's going to get done much sooner, in about 3 months.
Furthermore I think this helps our negotiations with regards to North and South Korea. If North Korea, South Korea, China or any other affected parties held out hope POTUS or his team would agree to the type of crap sandwich that is/was the Iran deal, they have to have significant doubts now.
I've noticed the diplomatic process between NK and SK has picked up the pace as POTUS began publicly contemplating abandoning the crap sandwich. Once he announced that no we aren't going to be party to the crap sandwich any longer the parties seem to have picked up the pace on the positive developments. I don't think its an accident.
Plan B, well put back sanctions. The editor has,pretty much explained its going to be extremely costly to do business with Iran now. With DJT sanctions are probably less likely to be broken nor can Iran expect the lifeline BHO gave them. What will our "allies" do? They along with Iran will enegotiate a modified agreement that satisfies America's legitimate concerns. We will need Russia and China on board for this to work. I expect something similar to happen as has happened with North Korea.
For what its worth, had I been POTUS there's a good chance I'd have stuck with the crap sandwich and tried my best to work within it to get the best deal possible for America. It took a bold and gutsy move on the part of POTUS and his team to do what they did.
On the other hand I can't help but think with that crap sandwich Iran was going to have nuclear weapons sooner rather than later. By pulling out there's at least a chance to change it. Perhaps not. Agreeing to this crap sandwich in the first place probably wasn't helpful. Maybe we had no choice. I think we did and I think we can do better.
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