Daily Mail: Trump is making ISIS STRONGER says key Syrian ally whose forces are being trained by the U.S. troops president ordered out of war-torn country
* The SDF, Kurdish forces in Syria, warned the US's exit risked an ISIS uprising
* Kurdish officials and commanders met into the night to discuss a plan of action
* Donald Trump announced the shock decision to remove US troops on Thursday
A Syria troop pullout announced by the White House could allow the Islamic State group to rebuild, the Kurdish-dominated force battling the jihadists on the ground warned on Thursday.
'It will have a negative impact on the counterterrorism campaign,' the Syrian Democratic Forces, the US-led coalition's main military partner in the battle against IS, said in a statement.
The SDF, an alliance of Kurdish and Arab fighters which has spearheaded the ground battle against the jihadists, warned a pullout would allow IS to regroup and launch a counterattack.
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WNU Editor: The Kurds are threatening to do this .... Kurdish Fighters Discuss Releasing Almost 3,200 ISIS Prisoners (The New York Times).
More News On The Kurds Condemning President Trump's Decision To Withdraw U.S. Forces From Syria
US pullout leaves Syria Kurds exposed -- AFP
Key US ally in Syria: ISIS 'has not been defeated’ -- The Hill
US Syria pullout draws Kurdish condemnation and Putin's praise -- The Guardian
Kurdish-led militia slam US decision to withdraw troops from Syria -- DW
Syria Kurds say to keep up anti-IS fight unless Turkey attacks -- AFP
Syria's Kurds say Trump US troop pullout harms anti-IS fight -- BBC
Syria's Kurds feel trapped between threats from Assad and Turkey -- Haaretz
US pullout leaves Syria Kurds exposed -- France 24
26 comments:
What a childish threat.
The world should hang it's collective heads in shame over the Kurds. They actually deserve a state, unlike those whinny welfare demanding, death cult worshipping, Palestinians...
Anon
Yes they should get a state. Perhaps for all the help the Kurds gave America, over there, and in reparation for all the grief America gave the Kurds, over there also, maybe they should get State of Utah. Let them fight it out with the Mormons.
This has nothing to do with ISIS and everything to do with Turkey. Without a US presence the Kurds don't stand a chance against the Turks.
Indeed
huntley...dumb comment at best
I liked it. But then again, I also like humour. You likely don't.
The "Kurds" (an overly broad term considering the Pentagon was only working with certain factions) got a lot out of the US while they were partnered in Syria. Has everyone forgotten about Kobane and the ethnic cleansing of the kurdish population which got the US involved there in the first place? It was Obama's supreme embarrassment with having contributed to arming some of the perpetrators which forced him to step in and stem the tide against ISIS, which at the time had the Rojava canton pushed back to within half a kilometer of the Turkish border. The US helped keep the Barzani "government" solvent by facilitating their illegal oil trade against Iraqi interests, who are their nominal ally against ISIS in Iraq. The US air campaign helped push the boundaries of Kurdish-controlled territory far beyond the historically Kurdish areas, into cities that they never could have dreamed of taking if the YPG had to actually fight for them.
So yeah, the Kurds are being left to negotiate for their own rights against the other regional powers, but they didn't get completely used and screwed by the US. If the US hadn't saved them in Kobane then it's possible that the only Kurds still alive today would be the ones living in Turkey, Iran, and Damascus.
Exactly. And it made me immediately dislike them and wonder if they are as worthy as we make them out to be in our ignorant ways
What's childish about bringing 2000 young men and women home??? It's something he campaigned on. Standing up against the military industrial complex and all generals takes balls my friend. He could have communicated it better but in the end he did say he wanted then to come home a few months back. My guess is the generals told him to stay. And they might be right, absolutely. I don't know. But I have eyes and memory..and in Afghanistan it's nearly 18 years now. You think we should stay another 18?how about we stay 50 years? You know. ..to not look childish
Once again Huntley is at his anti-American best.
Other hits by Huntley the truthful and the civil.
”I retired from banking after 32 years. “ - Bob Huntley
October 21, 2015 at 1:11 PM
“By the way I spent my life working as a machinist in an elevator factory. Imagine this if you can…” - Bob Huntley
September 23, 2018 at 12:43 PM
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2015/10/a-look-at-russias-rules-of-engagement.html
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2018/09/us-national-security-adviser-john.html
Anon
Тебя надо казнить, больной ублюдок.
October 27, 2018 at 8:06 PM
Translation of what Bob Huntley posted:
“You must be executed, sick bastard.”
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2018/10/chinese-president-xi-tells-military.html
This is inded a childish comment by the Kurds if true. I suspect it is. The Americans informed them this is a bad arrangement/marriage. We want out. They throw a temper tantrum like spoiled children who aren't getting their way.
Anons (5:51, 6:02, and 6:14)
You nailed it. The Kurds have gotten MUCH more from America than they've given to America.
As for Mr. Huntley's choice to single out the Mormons and wanting to drive them from their homes, this is curious. These people have little influence over American foreign policy, contribute much to America, and ask for little in return. Such hatred, while never good, is especially misplaced here.
" The US air campaign helped push the boundaries of Kurdish-controlled territory far beyond the historically Kurdish areas, "
That is an assertion not a fact.
You have maps, censuses, surveys?
We know that Sodom Hussein moved Arabs into Kurdish areas to colonize them.
" The US helped keep the Barzani "government" solvent by facilitating their illegal oil trade against Iraqi interests"
The Iraqi government with the Shias in control never gave anything to anyone nonshia. As they did not share legit or noit how dow you expect others the be legal?
In both cases dates are important.
Bob,
First of all no one said the Kurds are being abandoned. If warranted, there are other ways to assist someone other than direct military aid. Who says they are going to get "slaughtered?" They've fought quite well and have gladly taken the assistance we have provided. I give them a bit more credit than you do.
Alliances are two way streets. The US has found itself alone many, many times. The Kurds have gotten far more from the US than the US has gotten from them.
I'm not sure if it is accurate to suggest the US is "in bed" with Turkey. There has been much criticism of late and general Flynn is facing much trouble based upon his relations with them right now. There is also considerable doubt as to whether or not they are going to get the F-35s they claim to want. With that said Turkey is an important country. Going to war with them might not be such a good idea.
The US faces much scrutiny. As such, ensuring the US honors whatever agreements are expected as part of an "alliance" isn't a problem and really never has been. The problem is the ensuring others honor their end of the agreements. This has been a problem for a very long time. We find ourselves without support when it is needed most. The western Europeans for example are users and abusers of American largess, contribute little to our security, and actually undermine it. The same applies to NATO in general. It either needs a major revamping or we need to get out of it.
As for the "Kurd experience." People like this experience. Get allot. Don't supply nearly as much. Under Trump this is changing. America is insisting upon being respected and treated as an equal not as the world's doormat to be used and abused. This, I think, is what has many up in arms. They liked their American chumps.
When the abused first breaks away from the abuser, the abuser often gets violent. To this end, the French leader pretty much threatened the US with military action. I discuss this elsewhere on this site.
If we're in bed with the dastardly Turks, then we are in bed with the dastardly Russians and the dastardly Iranians as they all have close and friendly relations with the dastardly Turks. Does this mean we get to end Cold War 2? Does this mean we can finally move our disputes with Iran to some sort of UN Tribunal or something of this nature so we can have a just resolution of this once and for all thereby ending the conflict?
Not that one should get "in bed" with another country much like a private sector employee should not "marry" themselves to a company but I can see huge upside potential for America to have good relations with the Turks. Very respectfully but all available evidence indicates to me that not only are we not "in bed" with Turkey but we don't even have good relations with them.
As for the Kurds, you think they are going to get "slaughtered" by Turkey. This is a very well led, trained, and armed fighting force. You just insulted them. Do you think they are so weak that they can't stand on their own two feet and need your benevolent protection? Apparently this is how POTUS's critics seem to view them. Their tears for them are misplaced at best and worst they are crocodile tears. Very respectfully neither you nor they care about the Kurds.
Poster
Let me ask you one thing. What was it that encouraged the US to ally itself with the Kurds given that as a people without a country, they had really nothing to offer the US?
Mutual interests perhaps. It's easy to understand what the Kurds might have expected to gain. Then again if they get a "state" the aid might go away. I think the Kurds wanted to milk the Americans. As for the US, it's not so clear. As has been pointed out, they've already received quite a bit and have no cause for complaint or to feel betrayed.
I will say both parties have gotten themselves in trouble via unrealistic expectations. Who was dumber us or them? I'd say us. They definitely came out better than we did.
Answer. A ticket to a party it has no right to be at.
For you reading enjoyment
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-leaving-syria-the-us-sells-out-its-kurdish-allies-to-bloodthirsty-turkey
Mutual interests, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and they skillfully marketed themselves as being downtrodden. This I think is the main reason.
Our foreign policy has often been based heavily on ideology. As such, we are easily manipulated.
I once considered fighting for the Kurds but my eyesight is poor. This is my choice though. I see no reason to provide additional resources to them at,this time. If it's warranted, we revisit. Besides there's other ways to help than direct military aid.
Bob
I just gave you the answer. Not interested in Kurdish propaganda pieces. The Kurds will be fine.
If we say the US had no right to be at the party at all, then you'd be glad we're leaving. As for the Kurds who manipulated us, they are in great shape now, far better than when we came. Perhaps it's time for them to thank us, pocket the gains, and let us be!!
Assad has no right to be president.
Ever since the Alawite had a coup within the Baath party and took over, the Baathist have had no mandate to rule other than might makes right.
The sham elections since then did not confer any legitimacy.
Assad represent with some degree of legitimacy less than a 3rd of the population, the Alawite.
The borders of Syria were drawn by the Ottoman and then the British and French. Just because colonial power and an empire (Ottoman) drew line in a map does not give Assad the eye doctor legitimacy.
Anon (2:40PM),
As one of America's founding fathers John Adams I think it was very eloquently stated, the US should support liberty everywhere but ultimately can only be the guarantor of its own and we cannot go through the world looking for monsters to slay. This is a paraphrase. America's founding fathers were wise!!
The only way you are going to get rid of Assad or his hand picked successor is going to be fight Russia and Iran. Frankly, that's a war we probably are not going to be able to win and the American loss of life will be enormous and this loss of life will not be limited to American combat personnel. Since it isn't going to happen, very respectfully lets try to formulate policies based upon realism and not ideology.
As for the Kurds, there are other ways to help them should it be warranted. Now as for the article Mr. Huntley provides, I will read it time permitting. With that said the name in the link looks like it is going to read like a typical Kurdish propaganda piece. It is to bad really. Their messaging used to be quite slick, not so much now. In fact, it reads like Shakespere's "thou doest protest much." They are going to be fine. They are trying to manipulate us!! Numerous special interests have successfully done it in the past including them.
1ST PARAGRAPH was written with a semi glib tongue. Isaac Asimov would sick of your crap.
2nd Paragraph. Propaganda. You have no military experience that you admit.
Everything you say is a twisted lie.
Anon (3:55)
Is this directed at me? What's crap about it? To paraphrase another founding father, why quit our own to stand on foreign lands. This is none other than George Washington. America's founders were wise!! I'm not sure what Isaac Asimov has to do with it. You label it "crap" because you're losing the argument and have nothing else.
I believe the second paragraph to be fully accurate. In fact, events on the ground bear it out. From the beginning, I patiently pointed out that an Assad must go policy was doomed to failure as Russia wouldn't allow it and it would only cause us much grief. Events have proven that analysis correct.
I do not have military experience. My eyesight is poor. I have seen what these endless, fruitless, and pointless military operations that run contrary to our interests do to the young men involved. War is not a game!! These men are not pawns to be used on your chessboard!!
"Everything you say is a twisted lie." It helps to be specific. I find that wild and reckless accusations usually result when one's arguments are weak.
Perhaps YOU SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC.
Buttress with opinions with links/ stories/facts. It would make it a challenge for you to dissemble
You say so much with one stroke of a broad brush of lies.
Where I have I lied? Everything I type is easily documented. I scanned the thread again. Nothing isn't factual or can't be supported.
"YOU SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC." You now need to shout because you case is weak. The next step is to try and shout down the other side. 1.)The Kurds have received much from America allowing them to expand greatly. Maybe they need more. That's a legitimate argument. Maybe it's reasonable for then to expect more. I don't think so. In fact, I think they owe us. 2.)The threat to release detained ISIS fighters is childish, a bit like the temper tantrum thrown by a spoiled child when he/she doesn't get their way. 3.) Chicken Little days the Kurds are about to get slaughtered. Chicken Little has told us many such things before. Add to this Chicken Little never cared about the Kurds before. Therefore Chicken Little is, for now, dismissed as total bs and a bald faced attempt to manipulate us. Nevertheless some people I respect think we should remain forever but very respectfully I don't think they're seeing the full picture. 4.) The Kurds will likely deploy to their historical areas that are viable economically and cab be properly defended. After all the support they've received from us it seems implausible that they're so helpless. 5.) As needed, there are,numerous ways to help the Kurds without a commitment of our military personnel to them. I could go on. Bottom line: I think Trump has made the right decision here and those opposed are, at,best, not fully informed, letting ideology supercede common sense, or, at worst, they're being disingenuous.
If you're going to accuse me of lying, you should be more specific. Quoting me anti-American or Kurdish propaganda is a waste of time. They used to be quite clever. Not so much now.
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