CNN: German President asks for forgiveness 80 years after start of World War II
Germany's President Frank-Walter Steinmeier has asked for Poland's forgiveness 80 years after the start of World War II.
"I stand before you, those who have survived, before the descendants of the victims, the old and the young residents of Wielun, I am humbled and grateful," Steinmeier said during a ceremony in the Polish city of Wielun, the site of one of the first Nazi bombings in the country on September 1, 1939.
"I bow to the victims of the attack in Wielun, I pay tribute to the Polish victims of German tyranny and I ask for forgiveness," he said.
Nearly 6 million Poles died during World War II, which remains the bloodiest conflict in history.
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WNU Editor: There are some things that you cannot never forget or forgive.
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Yeah but at least Germany is trying. Neither the US nor Russia nor Japan nor England nor any other country apologized for their war atrocities. Russians killed more than Nazis. But they throw a parade every year, get drunk and tell each other they are great. Embarrassing to watch
Very true Anon.
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Can you list the top 5 (or 3) atrocities for US, USSR, & England?
the post is NOT about atrocities but about the German invasion of Poland, which began WWII
7:44,
I am sorry that you are but hurt about Poland, but FUCK You.
I know of one German who was alive back then and they were born in the last years of the war.
So I do not know any Germans, who fought in the war, were part of of German industry, or voted in German elections of that time.
When is the time that the Germans do not have to say they are sorry? 100 years after the war? 200 years? 500 years? 10,000 years?
I think that some people want to see Germans apologize and flagellate themselves so they can tell themselves that they come form moral and upright stock.
As much as I despise Howard Zinn and I really despise that cracker, he had a valid point about some of the bombing campaign. He was upset about the bombing of Royan on January 5, 1945. It was a legit military objective, but it was not necessary that late in the war.
Zinn was wrong about Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Skoda works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royan#Destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn#World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_error_probable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Arthur_Harris,_1st_Baronet#Legacy
The CEP for WW2 bombers was bad, very bad. Still one has to analyze how certain cities were bombed. As bad as CEP was back then, do you have to start at one end of town and bomb until you get to the other end of town, when what you want is the industrial park?
People had problems 20 or 30 years ago with a statue for Bomber Harris. So this is not an idea that is out of the blue.
It is a more of a moral conundrum, when factories and neighborhoods are mixed.
I've already discussed Russian atrocities from carving up Poland with the NAZIS, Katyn Forrest Massacre, Rape of Eastern Germany and more.
I have relatives who were civilians, who were on the receiving end of bombs on both the the Axis and Allied side. Bombing is kind of personal.
Casting gating Germany for a century and probably for another century IMO is having a scapegoat to absolve your sins also.
Anon, agree with much of what you have said. I do think the bombing of cities was a calculated decision and one of the factors in the decision to destroy cities was that cities were where the industrial workers lived. The dead and displaced don't produce much.
As for Japan, there was a faction of the Japanese military who contemplated the unthinkable heresy of murdering the emperor and continuing the war. Surrender was not in their playbook.
Before I started to read The Rape of Nanking years ago I thought we should have at least demonstrated an initial atom bomb drop on a harbor. 7 pages of that book was as far as I could read and I then understood Truman's desire to punish the warmongers as devastatingly as was humanly possible.
@anon 636: you must be American or have not gone to school. Either way it's your responsibility to get an education and not my responsibility to educate you. good luck in your life
Congratulations?! Seriously?!...Source: Trump Just Congratulated Poland On The 80th Anniversary Of Nazi Invasion · DC Tribune
Seriously!
Eugene Sledge, Vonnegut, and Howard Zinn were both WW2 veterans. They have 1st hand knowledge.
Both were upset on how parts of the war were conducted by America.
Eugene Sledge documented war crimes. Those were taken care-of by the the Officers and NCOs, but not to the satisfaction of a Howard Zinner or a Bibbity Bobbidi Bob.
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