Task & Purpose: The war in Afghanistan is over but military leaders are still trying to hide their failures
No more excuses.
With the Taliban in total control of Afghanistan, Americans deserve to know how the Afghan security forces collapsed in little more than a week despite a nearly 20-year and $88 billion effort by the U.S. military to train, equip, and mentor Afghan troops and police.
Army Gen. Austin “Scott” Miller, the last commander of all U.S. and allied troops in Afghanistan, could provide lawmakers with some of the answers when he testifies next week before Congress – but the broader American public won’t hear any of that. The hearing will be behind closed doors.
This enforced secrecy has become the norm for Miller and other military leaders, who made it nearly impossible to get basic information about the state of the war in Afghanistan for at least the past three presidential administrations.
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WNU Editor: The U.S. and its allies lost the war in Afghanistan. We need to know why. That is the only reason why I am refraining myself from demanding this .... Fire the military and intelligence bigs who bungled Afghanistan — now (Glenn H. Reynolds, NYPost).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfrhATD4nM0&ab_channel=RT
Those who made the fatal decisions need to be sacked. If intelligence men lied to the policy makers, they need to be sacked & if they have committed criminal offences they need to be dealt with by the justice system. If Fauci is not brought before the court or even arrested & interviewed under caution for lying to Congress, then nothing is going to happen in this case. Keep ducking 🙈
hang! charge them! torture them!
all you need do is read about it. The truth is out there. tip: we lost for the same reason we lost in Viet Nam. the war under the leadership of residents from both parties.
@436 the fact that only rand Paul had the backbone and intellect to call for Fauci's arrest shows you how much trouble we as societies are in.
This absolute demon (Fauci) has lied on countless occasions, small to big lies including his factual financing of gain of function research which is outlawed internationally. He also "mishandled" the AIDS epidemic back then and caused so much death.
If true and it looks like it, together with the bat lady, and others at the Wuhan staff and eco alliance, they have plotted to create a gain of function virus against the law and made it more infectious to humans, by combining it with 4-5 other viral RNA, including the HIV virus..
This is a nightmare that the virus got out,... we will adapt and overcome
BUT
It's been 18 months, nothing but lies from governments who use this virus to make changes to society - without vote or discussion - and the changes take more and more of our wealth and freedom, and they coerce people into taking these drugs against international law as well
I never believed in the 9/11 conspiracies, ever. But since covid and the similarities to 9/11, and how the same methods are used to silence everyone and ridicule other perspectives..AND importantly.. what always seems to be the case is that they create new laws based on chaos they either anticipated or even got caught funding it, and then they use it to take our wealth and rights and they beat everyone into submission
If this time again they do this and they do another lockdown or introduce these passports it's a clear sign to me personally that democracy in those countries is over and I'll seek political asylum in a country that not systematically mislead their population into wars that only benefit these monsters and other inhumane endeavors.
This is an end of society event to me in this regard. And I don't mean the danger of the virus. The following governments have misled their population and have handled the situation in criminal fashion
USA (not all states)
Israel
UK
France
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Germany
Now, I don't know about other countries, but I'm sure China also lied and likely Russia too
But I don't know about Russia because they've got their own vaccine etc but I wouldn't put it past them
It's a nightmare situation
The USA was the last bastion of freedom, so was the UK
And it's still nice to live in the UK, but the changes they want to introduce seem incompatible with what the UK used to be.
If they go through with it, I'll become am immediate political asylum seeker in Sweden or whichever country didn't turn into a totalitarian hell hole violating all laws and norms, and worse
God help us all
But Sweden is a Welfare socialistic state!
@928 I'm not familiar with the in and outs of Sweden, it was really just an example
In all the countries above, including where I live (England), the government has lies to us, has mistreated us, is using coercion to get us vaccinated, and - and that's so important - are trying to blame the unvaccinated for everything. It's sick a horrendous, false, inhumane lie - bit it also shows you what our "leaders" are
And it's sad. I love England, I love the culture, the people...
But not the senseless wars, not the lies about covid, not the police state we're turning into, and I'm vehemently against the precedent they set with a government ruling over our bodily autonomy
They know it's wrong. They know it violates the Nuremberg codes and other international and national laws, that's why they do it through corporations... And the fact that they don't care that that makes them literal Nazis, just because they can hide behind a legal technicality, shows me they've lost their ways and are no longer guided by overarching principles.
They pay lip service and lie on the most important things.. wars, our economic state, the great reset and the virus
And it feels as if they're hiding crimes and therefore want to become a new system in which they're untouchable and we become de facto slaves in our own countries
They'll of course give it different names and make it look oh so great, and they'll blame one side of the population for all of it, as they're already doing
In short, they're creating an authoritarian system, enforced through the vaccine passport; and they also use the vaccine - which any rational thinker should have doubts about - to identify and isolate "vaccine skeptics" (what they really are: independent thinkers even under great pressure by an authoritarian state..ie they're anti authoritarian and smart, so my guess is also the concentration camps are for us)
So it's time to leave, I guess
.. I'll wait a few more weeks and then see if this becomes reality or if we can stop this
Is Sweden as socialist as 9:28 says? The scaled back in the late 1990s, because they had to.
It is a mixed model, but 9:28 is incapable of telling the truth.
Is Sweden socialist? No.
https://www.lifeinsweden.net/is-sweden-socialist/
https://fee.org/articles/is-sweden-socialist-no-but/
If you will read what you had posted you would see that "socialism" is a rather confusing term, and that Sweden is a mixed economy state, fusing advantages of various systems.
Now, the Niskanen Center’s Samuel Hammond has tried to draft Sweden for the libertarian team. According to Hammond, Sweden is a model of the “free-market welfare state,” which combines libertarian economic policies in trade, immigration, and labor market deregulation with high levels of social insurance to cushion the blows to those who lose out from free market competition.
Hammond justifies his description of Sweden with a four-fold typology of economic regimes, in which the horizontal axis contains “Anti-Market” and “Pro-Market” and the vertical axis “Pro-Transfer” and “Anti-Transfer.” This provides four ideal-typical regimes: Pro-Government (anti-market/pro-transfer), Reactionary Populism (anti-market/anti-transfer), Anti-Government (anti-transfer/anti-market), and Free-Market Welfare State (pro-market/anti-transfer).
If you read Glenn's article in full you will see that he focuses only on the Biden exit and ignores the Trump decisions and actions prior to the Biden presidency. There are presidents from both American parties that were in office during the Afghanistan debacle.
Chris Miller, acting defense secretary in the final months of the Trump administration, chafed at the idea that Biden was handcuffed by the agreement.
“If he thought the deal was bad, he could have renegotiated. He had plenty of opportunity to do that if he so desired,” Miller, a top Pentagon counterterrorism official at the time the Doha deal was signed, said in an interview.
Renegotiating, though, would have been difficult. Biden would have had little leverage. He, like Trump, wanted U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. Pulling out of the agreement might have forced him to send thousands more back in.
He made that point Monday, saying in a televised address from the White House that he would not commit to sending more American troops to fight for Afghanistan’s future while also harkening back to the Trump deal to suggest that the withdrawal path was predetermined by his predecessor.
“The choice I had to make, as your president, was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season,” Biden said.
And at 11:01 Fred did another full on copy and paste.
Was Biden handcuffed by Trump's Taliban deal in Doha?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-handcuffed-trumps-taliban-deal-doha-79532107
Biden could have simply stiffed the Taliban and told them to pack sand. Fred and Biden must not have faith in good ole American fire power. Heresy! Send both to reeducation camps. Joe to learn his ABC's and Fred to learn logic.
Seriously, did a certain someone ever take philosophy in college?
"There are presidents from both American parties that were in office during the Afghanistan debacle."
Tu quoque argument
The war was lost ever since the Battle for Swat and Obama folding like a cheap suit after the surge.
The most you can say is that both political parties in Congress did nothing to win the war like go after Pakistan. Both parties had majorities during this time and neither of them took on Pakistan as a group.
Congress declares war. Pakistan was at war against the US. Congress, with or without the president, had the duty to declare war against Pakistan or pull out. PERIOD! FULL STOP!
Trump saw that the American political establishment had abdicated its responsibility. Trump is not at fault. You can make an argument that after the 1st Battle of Swat ( 25 October – 8 December 2007) that George Bush was responsible. You can make a case that he should have known that Pakistan was fucking us over. He should have known sometime from 8 December to January 20, 2008. Maybe he should have known from mid-November 2007.
What did he pass on to Obama in December 2007?
It does no real good to blame Biden and Obama and ignore both Trump and Bush. Doing that oversimplifies the 20 years of war and our loss, and if you really wanted to get to answers for the loss, then such simplification is useless. So too calling Fred names. He at least is willing to recognize that 4 presidents, two from each party, were in charge and so must bear some blame.
I do not blame Biden for losing the war during his presidency. It was lost during Obama's presidency. I do blame Biden for shitty, ass backwards pullout.
"Why" is really pretty simple. We withdrew in a disorderly fashion without getting our equipment or allies out ahead of time. Furthermore we with withdrew chaotically. It's one thing to withdraw in such a manner when one is under extreme duress. Our forces were not under any kind of duress really or so it would appear. The Biden Administration just up and withdrew. It wasn't as though our forces were beaten on the battlefield.
Of course Trump initially negotiated the withdrawal. While we cannot be certain, had the proper conditions been met for withdrawal I think it would have been executed better if Trump was still POTUS. If he still held that office and things transpired as they did, I'm pretty sure all of the fault would have been laid at the feet of him and his team. Since this happened on the watch of one of the chosen ones, the approach to assigning blame has been to try and be nuanced.
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