Axios: Exclusive: Hawley calls on Biden to drop support for Ukraine membership in NATO
Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) is calling on the Biden administration to drop longstanding U.S. support for Ukraine's eventual membership in NATO, arguing that a binding commitment to defend the country would undermine efforts to counter China.
Why it matters: Hawley is staking out a position increasingly supported by the Republican base but historically at odds with the mainstream GOP consensus still backed by his Senate colleagues.
Context: Former President George W. Bush and all NATO leaders agreed at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine and Georgia "will become" members of the alliance — though no specific roadmap was offered at the time.
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Update #1: Hawley calling on Biden admin to drop support for Ukraine's eventual membership in NATO (The Hill)
Update #2: US senator asks Biden team to change gears on Ukraine (RT)
WNU Editor: The White House is going apoplectic .... Psaki accuses Republican Senator Josh Hawley of 'parroting' Russian misinformation after he urged Biden to DROP support for letting Ukraine into NATO because it will hurt the bid to take on China (Daily Mail).
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Two different things:
1) Making Ukraine a member of NATO which has to be well checked. Why not?
2) Letting an outside country giving a yes or no on our own decision. This is unacceptable and a very bad precedent.
Ukraine NATO membership is a bad idea. This is a poor corrupt country that would do nothing to bolster our security. It would drive Russia crazy and move them closer to war and closer to China.
It is hysterical that these chicken hawk leftists and neocons shriek about patriotism and Russian misinformation. Unless you advocate for war vs Russia, you’re a quisling.
Enough already.
We are negotiating with Russia at the moment. This is what Putin wants. So that turd says to give them what they want?
chickeshit russkie senator.
Now even if the US decides against inclusion into NATO, you do not do this dumb thing during tenseness of negotiations. That is about as dumb a thing possible. We wait now for views from B. Poster.
How would the US know?
1) Mole
2) Hacking
3) Sigint
The USG makes announcements about how they thwarted Russian hacking attacks
Even corporations do.
"Microsoft Thwarts Russian, Chinese Hackers Targeting U.S. Presidential Campaigns"
So, if the USG can claim that they learned about from hacking, why not so so every now and then?
Intel services routinely look for moles. When secrets come out, they double down. So if this news came forma mole, the Russians are already looking for them. If the Russians were or are planning a false flag, when these allegations come out from DC, the Russians are doing all of the above. They are reviewing cyber security, reviewing sigint and looking for moles.
It would not hurt to bring a mole in from the cold. Every so often the Americans should. That would ally fears, real or imaginary, that the govt. is making stuff up and hiding behind not revealing sources and methods.
There should be a conveyor belt of moles such that you can bring one in every now and then. Otherwise, you just question, if your side is really winning.
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Ukraine is corrupt? The Hell you say!
Name a country without corruption.
Degree of corruption does matter.
However the Ukrainians have received help form the Biden Klan and others in DC. It has been alleged by more than a few Americans that international aid has been used as a way to launder tax payer money back to DC elites. We are not talking about military aid here.
So Ukraine is corrupt. I've bet they have had American and Russian help.
Most NATO members are already freeloading on US' defense budget, apparently it's vital for US national security to add more freeloaders and on the border with Russia at that. Insanity
If Trump were president, he might have given notice he was leaving NATO.
The Eurotrash leaders would mock him believing that Congress would never go along and them panic if over half of them did.
But Biden was selected for us and many people worked into the wee hours of the night stuffing ballot boxes.
The Bush legacy is full of war crimes and war mongering and geopolitical games on the corpses of mislead Patriots who believed they were serving their nation and not some globalist dream... in short, if that guy supported Ukraine/NATO membership, then count me out
Plus, I really want to address who states covid first. A lot, and I mean a lot of evidence points towards a collusion of people close to the bushes and the "elite" deep state cabal that admitted to fortifying the last election so that the guy who the people wanted was smeared as Russian asset, while the actual guy they wanted, Biden, on camera admitted to use a USD1bn payment to push for favours
And those favors included firing the guy in the Ukraine who looked into the shady deals of the Biden syndicate
I say trial them
And then when you see what they did to your and my and so many other nations, I say hang them
But if I'm wrong, hang me instead :)
Think I'm wrong?
Look at the evidence we have today
My time is very limited right now. I hadn't planned on posting. Essentially Russ nailed it. Read and reread his post. On this thread Caecus has a good analysis as well.
5:22 GO FUCK YOURSELF
Afghanistan: Had it coming. They could have avoided military conflict if they had turned Osama over. They refused. They made a choice.
Iraq: When you lose a war and sign an armistice, you live up to the armistice. If you don't and double down by being bombastic, well shit you are going to get re-invaded.
Over the top language is not cute, when you have invaded 4 countries in a decade and have WMD programs, send WMDs and have denied surprise inspections.
False-Flag Invasions Are a Russian Specialty
Ukraine wouldn’t be the first place that Russia’s military started a war by faking an attack.
a full listing of Russian false flags
Ukraine Wouldn't Be Russia's First False-Flag War
Good on senator Hawley. He recently made some sensible comments about the situation and drumbeats to escalation from certain members of the Senate and Congress and was crucified as a Russian sympathizer and a Putin stooge or something to that effect.
It just shows how completely f*d the US government's strategic awareness and big picture priorities are. Hopefully he and more voices like him continue to be heard.
Well stated. For being similarly circumspect, I've faced similar accusations. We do MOT want our loved ones needlessly sacrificed. By all indications Ukraine is NOT worth it.
Be truthful. You have been called a Putin fan boy for almost a decade now.
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