Monday, November 28, 2022

Is The Future Of American Warfare Unfolding In Ukraine?

Pallets of ammunition, weapons and other equipment bound for Ukraine are processed through the 436th Aerial Port Squadron at Dover Air Force Base, Del., Feb. 10, 2022.  

Phillips Payson O’Brien, The Atlantic: The Future of American Warfare Is Unfolding in Ukraine  

Aid to Ukrainian forces is achieving more than the long U.S. intervention in Afghanistan did. 

American military aid to Ukraine has been remarkably effective, especially in comparison with the long, ill-fated U.S. military intervention in Afghanistan. A recent statement by General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, helps explain why. “Ukrainians are not asking for anyone to fight for them,” Milley said. “They don’t want American soldiers, or British, or German, or French, or anybody else to fight for them. They will fight for themselves.” The Ukrainians want only the means to defend themselves against Russian invaders, he said, adding that the United States would provide support “for as long as it takes.” By providing advanced weaponry and reliable intelligence, the United States and its allies have allowed Ukraine to inflict large losses on Russian armed forces and roll back earlier Russian territorial gains. 

America’s failure in Afghanistan, by contrast, seemed so complete in 2021 that it may have encouraged Russian President Vladimir Putin to launch his full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The American response to this year’s crisis—providing a high level of military support without deploying American forces—is not just the best way to help Ukraine secure its independence and thwart Putin. It also offers a model for how the U.S. should define its international military involvement. 

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WNU Editor: The above post from the Atlantic is making the assumption that the tide and momentum is on the Ukraine (and U.S.) side, and that Russia is on the verge of defeat. That the lesson the US should learn from this war is that the US can achieve its strategic objectives by providing a huge commitment in financial and military aid to an ally without necessarily providing boots on the ground. And The Atlantic is not alone in predicting what the outcome will be .... Russia Risks Knockout Blow in War as Putin Hits Rock Bottom (DNYUZ/Daily Beast). 

As to what is my take.  The above author is premature in predicting what the outcome in Ukraine will be. IMHO this war is far from over, and in fact, many are fearing (myself included) that we are about to enter an even more bloodier and destructive phase. 

Over the years of running this blog I have lost count on how many articles and analysis that I have posted that repeat what the above analysis from the Atlantic is saying. It feels like only yesterday that I posted commentary that U.S. policy will succeed in Afghanistan, and it can be used elsewhere to bring Western values and stability. Ditto in Iraq. That the US presence in Syria will bring stability and security to our allies the Kurds. Or better still, aiding in the overthrow of Qaddafi will bring peace and prosperity to Libya. Sighhh .... all the pundits and experts were wrong.

Will Ukraine be another example of US defeat and withdrawal? Or will it represent the future of American warfare? I say wait and see. Maybe the history of US intervention will not be repeating itself in Ukraine. But I doubt it.


Anonymous said...

WNU is posting about an Atlantic Article. The Atlantic has not been a decent magazine for 5 or 10 years.

Now this may be a story.

"Belarus minister who acted as secret go-between with the West 'WAS killed by Kremlin assassins' and 'shaken' dictator Lukashenko now fears for his life, reports claim"

Anonymous said...

Agree with the above...The Atlantic has become a propaganda rag and an instrument of beta test proposals by the elite. sample the story two weeks ago about a "covid amnesty". What BS.

Concerning the story he idea what happened there.

Codify the American way of war? I call bs on that one. The Atlantic is reaching for straws. DC blob has a ideological drive but its planning and execution suck. Thank God it sucks because these people could REALLY screw things up if they knew what they were doing.

Hans Persson said...

If you don't have electricity, all of these fancy toys will be redundant.

Anonymous said...

Don't like the Atlatic? tell us then what mags you read to get your share of the Truth?
there are papers and magazines recognized by those in the field who recognize the good, the better, and the not-very-good. Is it then merely a matter of circulation, ie subscribers? nope. Fox gets many viewers but has bad reputation among professionals for constant lies, misstatements, and ignoring that which they do not like.

Anonymous said...

Hans has never been out in the field. A school field trip yes, but nothing expeditionary.

Anonymous said...

papers and magazines recognized by those in the field blah blah blah

Dan Rather is a person in the field and he is a JA!

There 11:31 goes again with his credentialism argument. 11:31 should live his values and not argue with anyone about anything outside his field of expertise. He is not credentialed, but for one thing don'cha know.

Anonymous said...

name calling is a trumpian tic. Now let us know what magazines you like ...
any grade school kid can belittle. Now try something mature.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

uh, you're the one who acts like a petty 5th grade girl. Come off it.

Anonymous said...

I simply asked to name those magazines and papers you considered worthwhile. But, naturally, childish crap for an answer, ie I know I am but what about you?
again: name the organs other than the one you seem endlessly stroking

Anonymous said...

11:31 is the same person. who bellyaches about Breitbart like it is his personal nemesis.

When asked to list what stories that Breitbart carried that the MSM did not or asked about a large representative sample of the day's Breitbart articles, 11:31 has nothing to say and moves on.

From the selection of articles in the past, I view it The Atlantic as Leftwing.

It appears others agree with me

"Philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs — who has donated more than $1.2 million to nearly 70 Democrat politicians since 2019 — is reportedly in close contact with the journalist who published the hit piece on President Donald Trump"

Yes, The Atlantic is a rag.

Anonymous said...

Left-Wing Writer for The Atlantic Refuses to Acknowledge She Was Wrong About Hunter Biden Laptop

Amp1776 said...

The Ukrainians clearly are willing to fight for their independence. The Afghans were not.

Anonymous said...

what is on Hunter's laptop? what does it say? how do you know nothing has been altered or placed on it? You know all about it, so tell us.
the US intervention? And Russia did not first intervene in Ukraine?

Anonymous said...

We saw the pictures and video from Hunter's laptop

Good thing you are all kb

Anonymous said...

I have no idea what you saw but I do know that thus far all that is fully known is that what is on the laptop might have been placed there and NOT by Hunter. The fullness of time will tell. And if Hunter has done something illegal does that mean his father is guilty of something automatically? Inuenndo again. This we know the FBI can discover:
The FBI’s biggest-ever investigation included the biggest-ever haul of phones from controversial geofence warrants, court records show. A filing in the case of one of the January 6 suspects, David Rhine, shows that Google initially identified 5,723 devices as being in or near the US Capitol during the riot. Only around 900 people have so far been charged with offenses relating to the siege.

The filing suggests that dozens of phones that were in airplane mode during the riot, or otherwise out of cell service, were caught up in the trawl. Nor could users erase their digital trails later. In fact, 37 people who attempted to delete their location data following the attacks were singled out by the FBI for greater scrutiny.

Anonymous said...

Media Bias carefully studies ALL media for accuracy, political leaning, truth, falsehoods etc. And this how the Atlantic rates. care now to compare your magazines?

These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Overall, we rate The Atlantic Left-Center Biased due to editorial positions and High for factual reporting based on excellent sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.
now take the test and put in your sources for checking!

Anonymous said...

Take whatever Media Bias publishes and scooch it over a notch to the left.

The laptop has several issues.

Joe Biden called Hunter the smartest guy he knows. So that calls into question Joe Biden's judgment.

The laptop also has emails implicating Joe Bide in financial corruption.

Add to it the hookers, underaged and drugs.

Anonymous said...

i read The New American and mother jones lol

Anonymous said...

Maybe. But he is smarter than you and makes decent points in his arguments

Anonymous said...

listen gumball
he reads and visits the following
us news and world report
Die Welt
Jerusalem Post
Foreign Affairs
zero hedge
mother jones
Glenn green wald
and a bunch of others

Anonymous said...

I dont know about Atlantic but I'd seen seen hundreds of thosands Russian military hardware blown up, I have same impression that Russia is going drained to bottom if not attack on civillian cities that target kids, women, old people, regular citizen, if not with those Russian forces are drowned from the buttom.

Ukies having all the momentum at all circumstances.

Anonymous said...

nyt - No - =paywall.
Atlantic -rarely - to collect some good articles and a lot of a bad articles.
us news and world report -Use to be one of my big 3 to read and then I grew up and went to college.

Die Welt - uncommon. The operation is funded by the German government in toto. So the operation knows about toes and foot placement.

Jerusalem Post rare - no opinion

Foreign Affairs use to buy on the magazine rack. read it infrequently. If you want to know what some in the CFR think sometimes. There it is. Suggested reading for US officers.

zero hedge - Use to be a regular reader. Hate Simon Black and the Strategic Culture foundation (Russian outfit).I suggest reading it occasionally so as not found in Jonestown.

mother jones - Very rare. Will pick up an article or two for some reason. Sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut and sometimes you need an ersatz dart board.

Glenn green wald -IDK if he is up there with Lara Logan, but he is independent. Sometimes read his work.

unz -Very, very rare. Smarter than all the trolls here if their IQs were added together

and a bunch of others

Anonymous said...

You haven't seen "hundreds of thousands" of military strikes on russian hardware.
No yo haven't? Thats literally impossible.

Anonymous said...

Add everything up and you will arrive at more than 200K arussian hardware blown

Anonymous said...

and with a lot fewer words.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

Aren't the taliban afghans?

Anonymous said...

narcissism is real