EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell chairs the Foreign Affairs Council in Luxembourg on 23 October 2023. [Council Newsroom]
Reuters: EU's 20 billion euro plan for Ukraine military aid hits resistance
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - A European Union plan to spend up to 20 billion euros ($21.4 billion) on military aid for Ukraine is meeting resistance from EU countries and may not survive in its current form, diplomats say.
Josep Borrell, the EU's foreign policy chief, proposed in July that the bloc create a fund with up to 5 billion euros a year over four years as part of broader Western security commitments to bolster Ukraine as it fights Russia's invasion.
But as EU defence ministers prepare to discuss the plan in Brussels on Tuesday, diplomats say multiple countries - including EU heavyweight Germany - have voiced reservations about committing such large sums years in advance.
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Update #1: EU’s €20-billion plan for Ukraine military aid hits resistance (Euractiv)
Update #2: EU cash plan for Ukraine may die – Reuters (RT)
WNU Editor: The mood in the EU is definitely changing when it comes to supporting Ukraine.
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Got to be one of the most expensive “stalemates” in the history of warfare. The amount of money and equipment being expended to keep the Russians in place is staggering. Gotta give the Orcs credit where it’s due
The Russians are orcs, but the euros only hobbits
Maybe they saw the 100k cars with UA numberplates weezing past in their neighbourhoods with the hot blondes in the passenger side
Some EU members have also argued they will struggle to make a big long-term pledge as domestic budgets are squeezed.
"For some member states, there is the reality of the public finances," said a second EU diplomat.
Maybe next time Merkel, Scholz or some other idiot won't spread Germany's legs and invite the Muslim world into Germany. Maybe then Germany would have money.
Do not want the expense. Call Russia's bluff or actually do it.
Send nuclear armed bombers and subs to the zero line, Russia stands down. Either way there will be nom more war.
Russia can back to its borders or there will be no more borders.
Hungary and Slovakia, real heavy weights, are pro-Moscow or pro-Quisling. Take your pick.
Germany has a chancellor that is pro coward. He has many defects like having to be told to stand up, when he pees. The CDU is forcing a vote on Germany's version of SCALP/Shadowstrike.
The rest of it is that like Germany, socialists in the EU are finding out you cannot provide welfare benefits for the whole world adopt green energy and still have money for a necessary war.
19 train carriages derailed as a result of an explosion of the railway track in the Ryazan region of Russia
Throughput is the word for the day.
The derailment is a minor irritation. Russia has good railway workers. Known fact.
Between the lack of vehicles for the last leg, dumps being blown up, and railway problems on top of that, it is fair to ask: Throughput to the warfighter (or should I say the meat?)?
/1. Drone attack is reported on gunpowder factory in Kotovsk, Russia. ~380km from Ukraine border
Throughput
The Hobbits defeated the orcs. One of Bilbo's ancestors invented polo that way.
Also the hobbits defeated orcs, evil men and two down on their luck wizards (Istari Order) in "The scouring of the Shire"
In occupied Simferopol mobilized soldiers beat their colonel to death
Mobiks beat Russian colonel to death!
Job opening!
Promotions are fast in the Russian Army!
MORALE IS A FACTOR:
On 1 NOV, disaffected RU soldiers of the 20th Guards Motor Rifle Division beat their deputy commander, Colonel Musurbekov, to death. The assailants then deserted from their base in Simferopol in occupied Crimea & are still at large
Colonel Musurbekov
Is the 20th Guards Motor Rifle Division full of little brown people from the steppes that Putin is using as meat?
In the Russian offensive on Avdiivka, Ukraine 🇺🇦 destroyed over
100 Tanks,
250 Armored Vehicles,
~50 Artillery Systems, and
7 Su-25 Fighter Jets,
according to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Valerii Zaluzhnyi
10,000 dead mobiks by Avdiivka.
Die in Avdiivka or die by firing squad after getting a little revenge by killing commander.
I choose the latter.
Enough commanders get fragged, no one will step up to be commander. The political officers can always step in. Once that cherry gets popped political officers will be like a snow flake in Hell.
With another month and 10,000 more dead mobiks, Avdiivka can be captured and present as a Christmas present to Putin , who in no way is Christ like?
A HIMARS strike on a Russian convoy in the occupied Kherson region near the village of Hladkivka.
Not sure they got all 11 vehicles. It seems they got 3 later. It seems typical. Kill the lead vehicle and kill the last vehicle to box them. It seemed like it took 6 seconds for 2 or 3 vehicles in the middle to make an escape. Other vehicles took shrapnel or did the drivers bail? I thought it would take 3 seconds to decide to hit the gas pedal? They had been stopped? So time to turn the key and get the engine going or was it human factors?
Why was there a time lag? Have the drivers been so threatened that they equivocate?
Why did the 3 escapee trucks pause? they do not have maps? do not know the way? Do not have permission? All of that is stupid. Especially the last one. it cost them at least one vehicle (the middle one). The other trucks get hit from shrapnel or by additional strikes?
The blonde did opine most likely correctly that the Russian OODA loop is getting shorter due to Orlan 30 and experience. Time to kill those guys.
Can WNU find Hladkivka on a map? Asking for a friend.
Why are this idiots still fighting and dying for an old, deluded, 2nd rate KGB fart ??
Ukraine is open to the possibility of attacking Russia’s oil and gas infrastructure if Moscow ramps up its targeting of Ukraine’s electric system this winter, Ukraine Energy Minister German Galushchenko said.
People bombing the railways well inside MuZcovia.: how this could happens?
So much winning going on in Russia.
Double blow for Putin as Ukrainian kamikaze drones 'strike gunpowder factory and missile plant' in separate attack.
Russia knew where Ukraine's weapons plants were. WNU bragged about it. Likewise since the defense industry of Russia and Ukraine were intertwined until 2014, the Ukrainians know where the Russian defense industry is.
Swaggerbutt should apply for a job as a missile tech or a colonel. Russia is missing some.
"They will be using civilian trucks and cars like the Ukies have been doing and continue to do. It is a sign of desperate measures.'
Except Ukraine is or was the underdog. People actually give them vehicles for free like fire engines to fight the fires the orcs set with the V1 and V2 vengeance weapons. They crowd fund vehicles. So it is no humiliation for Ukraine, but it is for the ZZ.
Face it, Russia is losing Kherson. Better put a smile on your bosses lips Fuck Face or you will become a mobik.
"How can the Ruskies do this without Trucks?" The word Fuck Face is omitting is "sufficoent".
Nice try skods. They get free vehicles because... even though we gave these blood suckers ( UKIE LEADERSHIP) billions of dollars the leaders put the money in thier pockets and that is why the fighting guys on the ground are using donated vehicles.
Next issue
Yes, it looks ugly for the Russians in Kherson , no doubt about it.
But even if the ukies move forward, What it the plan?
They do not have enough forces to exploit the gains or go anywhere. Are they going to Sevastopol? No, the reality is , they could take 10 to 25 miles then they would be spread so thin like butter. They do not have the manpower and sufficient units to be "ultimately"
successful. The key word is "ultimately": meaning "in the end"
Face it skods, it this is the beginning of the end. Mr nobody had it right last week, it is the South, after Gettysburg in 1864 and old Bob Lee is goin nowhere. He just did not know it yet.
"There has been an escalating pattern of refusals, violence, protests and mutinies, pervading the Russian Army over the war in Ukraine. That has included 'assaults, and shooting officers.'"
He skods. just read there are not to many western foreign volunteers / mercenaries left in the Ukraine except the ones getting paid by pmc's
Why is that skods? easy, these guys aren't dumb. They see the writing on the wall.
Ukraine will be defeated.
"we gave these blood suckers ( UKIE LEADERSHIP) billions of dollars the leaders "
1) You are Russian, so there is not "we".
2) Weapons transfers account for most of those billions. There are a lot of people accounting for those weapons
3) I do not feel bad for paying for Ukrainian civil Service when Russia is bombing grain ships, grain ports and civilian infrastructure and factories
4) Your day is coming. you'll be lucky to get Gitmo.
Wrong again skods.
You me, and Matt are all going to Manzinar.
Your woke, progressive liberal buddies thank you for being a useful idiot on the Ukraine issue, but it will not stop them from putting you in a Hillary inspired re-education camp.
Ukraine will be defeated.
J'espère que l'armée ukrainienne possède encore assez des bombes à sous-munitions pour écraser toute cette engeance russe.
Il faut Écraser tous les Orcs Russes
Slavia Ukraini
THIS IS THE ENEMY: Russia used precision strike munitions to target the cancer center in Kherson. One patient was killed, two were injured and the facility sustained multi-floor damage in this vicious and senseless attack.
good, are you condemning the Israelis too?
No such luck Pierre, eat your cheese and figure out how to fix your muslim problem. Ugly those no -go zones of yours.
“We, the soldiers of the 3rd battalion of the 110th separate mechanized brigade, are in Avdiivka and are defending it from invaders.
Our appeal to the President of Ukraine and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Mr. President, we are not traitors or deserters, but in the conditions that have developed in our area, we are not able to carry out our tasks.
Why did it happen so? Let me explain: Every day we are sent to storm the TERRICON (Slag Heap), our commander is not able to provide us with the necessary amount of ammunition.
Every day, dozens of soldiers die in senseless assaults because the assault units do not have adequate artillery support. The entire area around is under fire, there are dozens, maybe hundreds of corpses of our comrades lying all over the area, which no one is evacuating.
The command doesn’t care about this, no one is dealing with this issue, besides this, please explain to us, ordinary guys, how it happened that at night, secretly from the personnel, the entire composition of our command was evacuated f
rom the city. We ask you to intervene in this situation."
The command left the unit and took off? If this is true, it is hopeless.
But what will probably happen is these men ofthe 110 will have a visit by the SBU field police. If the SBU has the guts to go into the battle zone. Probably not.
for Chriss wherever you are.
ordinary guys, how it happened that at night, secretly from the personnel, the entire composition of our command was evacuated from the city.
Not so much different than Afghanistan.
"Ukrainian more cohesive culture" , how is that working for you?
Not to good for these soldiers, that is plain to see.
tip: whenever you use or see the word Scods, you know a Putin butt boy is in the area.
tip: whenever you see the word Skods, it is a reference to a future inhabitant of Manzinar. :)
good try skods
Ukraine will be defeated.
Again air defense is reportedly active in occupied Skadovsk, Kherson region.
Which lucky Russian officers are going to buy the farm tonight?
Dont know, but as a christian you should be praying for their safety and for the Ukrainians. They did not choose this fate, but they sure are stuck with it.
Yep!! Ultimately as many are FINALLY starting to figure out it's ultimately going to fail. Time to "sue for peace" as the Italian PM has figured out and others are catching on.
I think Russia is kind of hoping the "west" will implement a draft, especially America so they can further deplete us. Most costly "stalemate" ever. Should we "somehow" win it will be do pyric that we will be unable to afford anymore such "victories."
The leadership class views this as worth dying for. I see mo reason to sacrifice my loved ones to protect them and their nefarious interests.
If There is a more obnoxiously stupid troll than B Poster we would have to be in Missouri.
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