Philip Shenon and Larry J. Sabato, Politico: The JFK Document Dump Could Be a Fiasco
Later this month, the National Archives is set to release thousands of documents about John F. Kennedy’s assassination. It’s likely to fuel conspiracy theorists for years.
The federal government’s long campaign to try to choke off rampant conspiracy theories about the November 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy is threatening to end this month in massive confusion, if not chaos.
Within the next two weeks, the National Archives is legally obligated to release the last of thousands of secret documents from government files about the assassination, most of them from the CIA, FBI and the Justice Department.
And there is every indication that the massive document dump—especially if any of it is blocked by President Donald Trump, the only person empowered under the law to stop the release of the files—will simply help fuel a new generation of conspiracy theories.
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Update: CIA Urges Trump To Delay Release Of 3,000 Never-Before-Seen Documents On JFK Assassination
WNU Editor: Everyone who was in a position of power and authority during the Kennedy assassination are now dead. Release the documents.
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This was the most prominent and most suspicious assassination of a political leader in history. Everything and anything from CIA/FBI insider, to Russians, to Cubans to Mafia is suspected to be involved. You can rule out Mafia, they would have released by now. And it cannot be Cubans, they would have been b*tchslapped for decades. Not them. So yeah, guess who it was :) Either CIA/FBI or Russians.. the Russians did it!!! :)
The fear of course is that government and its agencies will be shown to have been involved if only indirectly in the assassination and/or cover-up. Nobody will be punished as all key people are "dead" maybe, but, should it turn out that the theories on this were correct, at least partially, it would lend credence to the theories, going around now for everything else. Remember the CIA and Iran in the 1950s. There should be some retroactive restitution made to the Iranian people for that little endeavour.
Release the documents. This will prove the fallacy of the conspiracy theories. Of course people wish to keep the conspiracy alive and anything that disproves them as this document release would well we cannot have that. The documents will remain sealed.
"There should be some retroactive restitution made to the Iranian people for that endeavor." Perhaps there should. Perhaps restitution should be made to the British and others who had property seized. I've long wanted this moved to a UN tribunal to solve these issues once and for all.
The problem with this is the Iranians don't want to solve this. There is simply to much profit in anti-Americanism for them right now. There are additional problems as well. 1.)A UN tribunal, at this juncture, would be a kangaroo court that would simply rubberstamp whatever and anything the Iranians want no matter how ridiculous. 2.)Even if the court were to decide in some way for the Americans there is no mechanism in place whereby the Americans can collect from the Iranians.
As such, there is no possibility of a fair trial nor can the Americans collect any restitution they might be owed and the Iranians are benefiting way to much from anti-Americanism. Therefore there will be no UN tribunal right now.
By suggesting there should be restitution made to the Iranian people you are suggesting America and Americans need to be punished for something without even bothering for even the kangaroo court/show trial that a UN Tribunal would be. In other words convict us without even the benefit of a trial. That is some justice system!!
Now back to the topic at hand. The documents should be released. They will not be. Releasing the documents would disprove the conspiracy theories that have been circulating for several decades. For a variety of reasons these conspiracy theories must be kept alive. As such, the documents would disprove them. Therefore they have to be kept under lock and key.
As stated previously, a document release very likely disproves all of the conspiracy theories. As such, they cannot be released for a variety of reasons as to many have a vested interest in keeping the conspiracy theories alive.
With that said, if the Russians were behind it, there would have been a good reason to keep these documents sealed as releasing them very likely would have or could have led to WW3 except that America would have been totally alone to face the full might of the Soviet Union and its allies as no American ally is going to war on behalf of a dead American president. In such an environment, it is going to be better to handle this via back channels explaining to the Russians we know what you did, who did it, and how you did it etc.
With certain mentally challenged people in US leadership recklessly pushing a new cold war, if the Russians were in some way behind the JFK murder, a document release at this time only pushes these crazies to act even more crazy. If there is still some sanity left in Langley, this would be a good reason to keep these documents under lock and key.
"America would have been totally alone to face the full might of the Soviet Union and its allies as no American ally is going to war on behalf of a dead American president. "
Lol dude I can predict on which days you're taking a break from your medications by now. :)
B Poster
"By suggesting there should be restitution made to the Iranian people you are suggesting America and Americans need to be punished for something without even bothering for even the kangaroo court/show trial that a UN Tribunal would be. In other words convict us without even the benefit of a trial. That is some justice system!!"
No. I am suggesting Americans take responsibility for the trouble they caused in the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and government. The CIA has admitted they took part in the activities that led to the death of elected leader an imposition of a tyrant in Syria. Is a trial needed following that admission? What would the US plead or would they just enjoin Britain in the action and let them deal with the trial. The US by the way is not about justice and fair trials or some bankers would be in jail right now.
After a "full" investigation and report to the nation,for the govt NOT to release materials is to suggest very stronly that some people or agencies were involved and our govt is protecting them from public awareness. That is not good in a democracy and can but heighten a fear of nasty things taking place in our govt by those hired, elected, chosen, to protect us.
I had forgot to mention the book about the former CIA guy,Alan Dulles, and what he has to do with this issue. That book connects Dulles and the CIA to the JFK killing.
What you have then is the CIA refusing to release material about their possible involvement
Bob,
What was the context of the actions? Some would say American actions were justified here. Who compensates the British companies whose assets were seized/stolen if they were stolen?
Some reports have indicated the CIA role in this was overstated even going on to point out that some had overstated their role because they wanted funding. People routinely confess to things that they are not guilty of for various reasons. In the US case, a "confession" here may have been done in hopes of getting dialog going towards working toward a solution which the Iranians are not interested in.
"The US by the way is not about justice and fair trials or some bankers would be in jail right now." While there are shenanigans in every industry, banking is no different, a fair and impartial trial is needed before putting someone in jail. Unfortunately it is far easier to simply demonize the bankers and anyone else we don't like. Demonization of bankers is easy, extremely profitable, and costs nothing.
I will reiterate. Move this to a UN tribunal to settle this once and for all. This will not happen for several reasons. 1.)At present any trial would simply rubberstamp whatever Iran wants. 2.)The US has no means in place to actually collect from Iran should the tribunal rule in America's favor in some fashion. 3.) Iran is simply getting to much mileage from anti-Americanism. They do not want a resolution.
Anon,
Not sure what you are referencing regarding medication. I will try and break this down in a way that perhaps you will understand.
The documents cannot be released because they would very likely refute the conspiracy theories. We simply cannot have that as so many people have a great deal invested in the various conspiracy theories.
The part about the documents disproving the conspiracy theories is a theory and may not be correct. It is clear that many have a huge investment in the conspiracy theories and are going to be wary of releasing anything if there is a possibility of the conspiracy theories being refuted.
Now as I stated in response to the possibility of the Russians being involved, to release this information at the time, could have led to WW3. Since no ally is going to consider a dead American president worth going to war with the Soviet Union over, we would have been facing the Soviet Union and their allies completely alone.
It does not matter what the documents say, they will not be believed. for what it is worth, Oswald did it acting alone.
Kennedy Assassination: Evidence Seen by JFK’s Doctor Suppressed
B Poster you are a spin doctor. You might gain from reading this in respect to the banking fraud and the work of Obama's Department of Justice in letting the bakers off the hook.
The Republicans have been in charge for more than just Obama's two terms such that at this point there really is no oversight and yes another financial meltdown is probably already in the offing. They are talking more sub prime business.
Ultimately oversight regarding fraudulent activities should end in prosecution by the DOJ, and we have seen that in respect to the banks. Very toothless prosecution more of a show prosecution to give the appearance of justice being handed out, which did not happen.
Here is some history.
Fraud #1
Major banks participate in LIBOR rate fixing leading to mortgage rate fixing.
Fraud #2
The mortgage rate fixing is to enable people who can't afford to buy a house. A couple of percent can make the finances look good enough to justify a mortgage. The mortgage of course has a clause to impose a higher rate in the future. Included in Fraud #2 is the tendency to pressure mortgage managers to falsify income and credit history information that ensure approval of an unsatisfactory borrower.
Fraud #3
The sub prime mortgages that the banks know will fail are packaged into mortgage portfolios with grade A mortgages and sold to investors including foreign investors but also domestic pension funds.
Fraud #4
Banks have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders and prospective borrowers to not grant loans to people they know can't afford them. That responsibility was intentionally ignored.
Fraud #5
The mortgages are often transferred/sold to investors, passing through holding companies and are not re-registered as is required. This not only robs states of millions of dollars in transfer fees but throws into question the new owner's, perhaps several times removed, ability to take legal action on default. Sub prime borrowers most often left voluntarily or were paid to leave the house in good condition when if fact they might have had the ability to keep the house if they went to court.
Fraud #6
With great fanfare the DOJ enters into a plea bargaining deal with the banks and fines them what seems like a lot of money but relative to the cost to the economy is mere pennies. The actions taken by the DOJ are to support the wronged investors, not the wronged borrowers. That is why part of the plea bargain is that the banks do not have to admit guilt. Admitting guilt would open the banks to a lot of legal actions by the people coerced into buying houses they couldn't afford in the first place. A document/mortgage based on fraud can by invalidated in court.
Fraud #7
There are non sub prime borrowers who have been severely harmed by the banks' fraudulent activities, people who have seen their house values drop sometimes below the mortgage that they could and can afford as the houses built and financed with fraudulent mortgages have forced the market down as they overpowered real estate markets. It might be possible that some of those people could sue because even their validly approved mortgage is based on fraud.
By delaying legal actions against the banks and focusing only on the investor aspect of the issue the DOJ has knowingly bailed the banks out at a far more serious level than the $800 Billion.
On Iran and the CIA I suggest you do some reading.
S'long.
Bob,
I'm a "spin doctor" and you're the one who wants to convict people without even a show trial. I think we can agree that loans to people who never should have gotten them is a problem.
As for Iran I have done much reading on this from multiple sources. There is considerable doubt as to what happened back then. This is why we need the tribunal. I've already explained why this can't happen right now. Hopefully some day. A fair and inpartial trial may not cone out the way some are hoping, another reason we can't have it now.
Finally as oldfatslow correctly points out the documents will reveal Oswald acted alone and no one will believe it. There's simply to much invested in various conspiracy theories and anything that might undercut them cannot be released.
Bob,
Very respectfully your frauds 1 to 7 are best understood as accusatuins. The next phase would be to put together a legal case and move toward prosecution. A prosecution may not yield the results some want.
It's far easier and extremely profitable with minimal costs to simply demonize the bankers. Actual investigations can be messy and risk upsetting the status quo.
As stated, I think we can agree money was lent to borrowers who had no business getting the loans in the first and there were likely problems in how the loans were securitized and sold.
Why did some people get loans they shouldn't have? Reason 1: the borrowers were greedy and should have known better. Reason 2: the banks faced TREMENDOUS pressure from the government to lend money to certain groups of people. I know people who currentky work in banking.
Furthermore I agree with you another financial collapse is highly likely as the underlying problems causing the first one have not been fully addressed. Next time the government will be ubable to do a bail out. While simply demonizing the bankers is likely comforting, it won't sokve the problem.
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