Daily Mail: Trump axed Iran deal to spite Obama: How the British ambassador called the President's actions 'diplomatic vandalism' fueled by 'personality reasons' - as revealed in more explosive cables that have sparked a free speech row while Iran tensions mount
* Sir Kim Darroch's 2018 memos accused Donald Trump of 'diplomatic vandalism'
* The ambassador claims that Trump abandoned Iran deal to spite Barack Obama
* His comments came after Boris Johnson tried to change the US president's mind
* Then-Foreign Secretary failed to persuade the White House to save nuclear deal
Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal as an act of ‘diplomatic vandalism’ to spite his predecessor Barack Obama, Britain’s Ambassador to Washington wrote in a bombshell memo to Downing Street.
Sir Kim Darroch’s claim – made after Boris Johnson made a doomed trip to the White House to change the President’s mind – is revealed in leaked cables and briefing notes which led to Sir Kim’s resignation last week.
The new revelation comes after an extraordinary row over the freedom of the press blew up this weekend, with Mr Johnson and leadership rival Jeremy Hunt leading the condemnation of Scotland Yard over its threats to prosecute this newspaper.
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WNU Editor: Maybe he spiked it because it was a bad deal? It is also revealing that the former British ambassador is a big fan of Christopher Steele and his "Russian-dossier" on President Trump .... Sir Kim Darroch vouched for British ex-spy Christopher Steele who put together the Dirty Dossier on Trump and told US officials he 'was "absolutely legit"' (Daily Mail).
Update: The person who leaked the British ambassador's memos has been identified .... Suspected leaker of Kim Darroch cables identified – report (The Guardian).
More News On The Former U.K. Ambassador Believing President Trump 'Axed' The Iran Deal to Spike Former President Obama
Daily Mail: Leaked cables show British ambassador saying Trump abandoned Iran deal in act of 'diplomatic vandalism' to spite Obama -- CNN
New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama' -- BBC
Trump Nixed Iran Deal for 'Personality Reasons,' Mail Says -- Bloomberg
Donald Trump dumped Iran deal to spite Barack Obama, leaked UK diplomatic cables suggest -- SCMP
44 comments:
Isn't that obvious? Since when did you become a physicist and weapons designer WNU?
It was the best deal the US could get and Trump blew it out of spite. It's always wise policy to cut off your nose to spite your face.
Of all places VOX
Why Trump is right to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal
The Nuke deal was an unverifiable deal. Therefore it was a bad deal.
Military nuke production facilities were off limits.
Obama was a fool.
You do not have to be a physicist to understand inspecting for compliance.
Get Real!
The article mentioned features a spokeshack from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. Enough said.
Why did 29 scientists pen a letter in support of deal? Stating "...The 24-day cap on any delay to access is unprecedented, and will allow effective challenge inspection for the suspected activities of greatest concern."
They know more than me or you. Of course when you have access to clown factories like the FDD, who needs scientists?
You do not have to be a scientist to understand verification or lack thereof.
You do not have to be scientist to count centrifuges and whether they are on or off.
Unless of course you have some sort of new math.
No deal is clear go-ahead to develop nukes
Deal puts guilt on them and justifies any action taken
They where going to make them any way with the deal. You all cant be that foolish. You can look at some, but not all of them. 💁
"Deal puts guilt on them and justifies any action taken"
Do they feel guilty about breaking the treaty before or after they chant "Death to America" ?
Some of you have a narrow focus here. There is more than ego patting and congratulating in front of the media over a "deal" by the cadaverous Johnny K and the savior, self appointed, of the known universe and beyond, currently a has been presidential poser. For a start, less funding for Iran's various activities in the area. Growing dissatisfaction in Iran with the ruling dinosaurs. Increasing isolation. Funding non-state actors like Hezbola and others in Jordan, Libya, and Lebanon.
Nice crowd.
any deal with iran is a waist of time.they will not live up to their end.they want a bomb.so then why did odumbass leave pallets of money on an iranian runway...
ok. Iran will build bomb. Now what?
"any deal with iran is a waist of time.they will not live up to their end..."
Who reneged on the deal? What a weird statement.
Maybe Obama will finally be
arrested
indicted
tried
convicted &
sentenced
for murdering Americans.
Project Cassandra
See also: Iran nuclear deal framework
The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook
- Politico
People working from the Politico are from Washington Post & Time. So we are not talking about conservatives here.
Obama looks old, gray, and worried, because he is one of the biggest mass murders in American history and knows he will be going to jail soon.
ACLJ Demands Answers: Did the Obama Administration Give Hezbollah a Pass?
Will Iran build a bomb and use it before the people rise up and throw Nehemiah Scudder in prison?
"Any deal with Iran is a waste of time. They will not live up to their end."
Who reneged on the deal? What a weird statement.
July 14, 2019 at 12:05 PM
I corrected someone else's post. Their post made total sense unless you are not a native speaker of English and did recognize the spelling error due to autocomplete or something.
Remember 12:05 hom·o·nyms are your friend.
The JPCOA was your basic payoff deal. The P5 agreed to pay Iran lots of money in exchange for modest restrictions on existing known Iranian facilities and Iran promised to wait 10 years before starting to weaponize nuclear research.
Of course the payoffs came from American hands to Iranian, many billions by now. What about the unknown facilities? Obviously Iran had them at the time of signing so they were and are not monitored to this day. If by some luck one was discovered, Iran once challenged could delay inspections till cows jumped over the moon. What would the P5 do when Iran refused access? Delayed for 1 year? I’ll tell you what the P5 would do. Negotiation and give in. So in fact the JPCOA works great for Iran and far less for nuclear nonproliferation.
Anon, I think you miss the point. The US broke the deal and pulled out. Iran was in compliance and the possibility of them achieving breakout was put off for years thus saving America from a big problem in the ME so it could focus on bigger issues like China's rise in the Pacific.
There is no such thing as a perfect deal. No deal with Iran would satisfy hawks in Washington and their foreign backers, (the Gulf states, Israel). For them, the demonization and immiseration of Iran is an eternal grift. It can never end.
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sure. you lead the charge, fake macho man
Anon is a sissy mary girlyman,lol!!!!!
Indian killer talk much talk and do much little
Your hair is a legend unto the present day, Sir.
That’s racist. You aren’t a very good lib!
fag
Honestly mate, you know and I know the whole point of having a deal was that a deal would be verifiable. Of course the Iranians kept doing what they do and we have Israel Intel to show it. But no, you go "the Israelis lie". Think of it, mate. Next even if the Israelis are lying - I don't think it changes anything. The deal was not verifiable. Iran is a terror Sponsor and has killed thousands of Americans during the Iraq war by supplying and helping them on the ground with IEDs. I'm not saying it's not understandable from their perspective, I'm saying the US/Trump administration believes a) there's a bill still open, b) the deal was not verifiable, c) Israeli intelligence proved Iranian malice
"Honestly mate, you know and I know the whole point of having a deal was that a deal would be verifiable."
If some nuclear site remain off limits, then the deal is not verifiable. Therefore, the deal is a sham.
Andrew Jackson adopted an Indian boy. Unfortunately, the boy died due to illness at 16.
Andrew Johnson was not against the Indians. He was against having 2 systems within the US.
The Red Sticks massacred a whole bunch of interracial families. I bet that helped the cause.
Anon
The US messed up Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, lots of South America ++ and is now looking to mess up Iran, again. The fact is, as regards Iran, they kicked the Americans out and America still can't accept it and is helpless short of creating, out of nothing just like Iraq, a war to do anything about it. In the meantime of course they continue to make life in Iran for its citizens miserable.
It is becoming quite evident that greatness for America never was and never will be, which is really sad given the potential for doing good in the world that has long been wasted on war hawks.
Bob's 1st post: "..."
Bob's 2nd post: "The US messed up Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan blah, blah, ..."
Korea
"On June 25, 1950, the Korean War began when some 75000 soldiers from the North Korean People's Army poured across the 38th parallel"
So what have we learned? That Bob is an idiot with a soft spot for Dictator and Thug Stalin.
Afghanistan
"However the Taliban ruled not to extradite Bin Laden on the grounds that there was insufficient evidence published in the indictments and that non-Muslim courts lacked standing to try Muslims"
So what have we learned? That Bob is an idiot.
Iraq
"In March (1996), Iraq delays weapons inspectors’ visits to five different sites
After a three-month standoff, Iraq allows UNSCOM to remove destroyed missile parts from the country for outside analysis in March (1997).
etc, etc , etc, .."
IRAQ COOPERATING WITH DISARMAMENT PROCEDURES, BUT MANY BANNED WEAPONS REMAIN UNACCOUNTED FOR, INSPECTORS TELL SECURITY COUNCIL
Oh look, the "BUT Monkey"
So what have we learned? That Bob is an idiot.
I suggest you read this book Bob, but you won't because your're an idiot.
The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the the Third World
The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the the Third World
Oh & Bob, your post was out of Left field and off topic.
But it was anti-American screed by Bob Huntley as usual.
Why scream like ass at Bob?
1. Taliban was not in charge of Afghanistan. Bush invaded to get Bin Ladin. Pakistan protected him. Obama got him
2. we did not lose in Korea. We also did not win. Your link merely tells us why we went to war...wanted to stop commies taking over. We broke even, at 38th poarallel, where war began
Thus: learn some manners and get some facts right
Anon,
1. Taliban did ‘control’ Afghanistan at that time. I remember their dynamiting of those huge old reclining Buddha statues. Or am I wrong? The Northern Alliance stood against them, but they did profess to rule the whole nation—though only SA, UAE, and 1 more maybe recognized them as legitimate.
2. BH does have an annoying habit of leaving content-less comments (“...”), but the too-vicious partisanship? I can’t explain that.
It’s annoying. I think it discouraged informed debate but whatever.
Anon
You are wrong and I did not post a link.
1. Taliban was not in charge of Afghanistan. Bush invaded to get Bin Ladin. Pakistan protected him. Obama got him
“Taliban was not in charge of Afghanistan”
If the Taliban was not in charge, who was? The Easter Bunny?
1996 – Mohammed Omar, founder of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, is declared Commander of the Faithful at Kandahar and his Taliban forces begin conquering the northern parts of the country.
2001 – United States and coalition forces invade Afghanistan and overthrow the Taliban government. Hamid Karzai becomes leader of the Afghan Interim Administration at the International Conference on Afghanistan in Germany.
“Bush invaded to get Bin Ladin. Pakistan protected him. Obama got him”
Bob’s point other than his usual anti-American screed was not, who got Bin Laden. His point was that America messed up Afghanistan. The fact is the USSR messed up Afghanistan, when it invaded in December 1979.
2. we did not lose in Korea. We also did not win. Your link merely tells us why we went to war...wanted to stop commies taking over. We broke even, at 38th poarallel [sic], where war began
Once again Bob’s point was not who won or lost. His point was that the messed Korea up. To be fair Bob believes that America has lost every war since 1945. The USSR, China, Japan, and Kim Il-sung messed Korea up. The USSR messed many countries up like Austria, Germany, Vietnam and Korea. The USSR also messed up every country behind the Iron Curtain, the Baltic States, & Finland.
Thus: learn some manners and get some facts right
Bob is forever anti-American. Read his posts over the last 4 years. When he is not posting the ellipsis “…”, it usually is an anti-America screed.
The inspection regime of the so-called Iran Deal was absurd. And that's aside from the $2B cash dump on the Tehran airport tarmac and the $150B in released Iranian funds.
The "Iran Deal" allowed the Iranian regime to demand 24 hour notice ahead of any inspections. Disallowed any inspections of military sites. Allowed them to use their own inspectors. Allowed them to "self-report" all their nuke work. Allowed the right of Iran to appeal any inceptions they felt were onerous. The "Iran Deal" basically negated itself and was a joke.
I'd say Obama concocted the "Iran Deal" to spike the United States.
https://www.heritage.org/global-politics/commentary/secret-side-deal-reveals-disturbing-flaw-iran-nuclear-agreement
Look son. If you are going to live in a country that makes unnecessary war on other countries and has done so almost without taking a break since its inception you are going to get criticisms at every turn. Learn to live with it as the fact is your country is likely to never change so you are going to have one bitch of a life if you get upset when people criticize your country.
Lost every war, no way. Even I know about Grenada son. It was a big victory, one of the biggest since WW II, perhaps the biggest, and I heard they gave out more medals than you can even imagine.
I'll give you that the USSR certainly messed up some countries but that does not in any way justify the stuff the US has done.
The problem is that with a site like this one, dedicated to war and military stuff, unless you are a war monger and enthusiast yourself you cannot rejoice in major developments in the war materials side of things. Hell, I would have left this site long ago if it wasn't giving me the opportunity to piss off a little shit like you. I think you should go see if your mommy needs help with the dishes, son.
"Look son. "
You have no idea how old the person you are addressing is. Supposing that you are chronologically older does not mean a damn thing. Age does not always bring wisdom and that is amply demonstrated in your case. You used the phrase 'Look son." to be condescending in a vain attempt to exert some sort of authority based on knowledge or wisdom. You have neither.
"If you are going to live in a country that makes unnecessary war on other countries and has done so almost without taking a break since its inception you are going to get criticisms at every turn."
You as a supposed Canadian, which we do not know if you are or are not, are really effing stupid to talk about the Indian Wars. That is the pot calling the kettle black. But you persist ad naseum, because you are an idiot. We know and your ex knows it. Why don’t you tell us about the Metis, you know nothing geezer. Also, if it wasn’t for the US, you would be speaking German or in a concentration camp. Or you would be speaking Russian or in a gulag. You are probably so effing stupid, you do not know the Chinese term for gulag, because of the tinted glasses your wear.
"I'll give you that the USSR certainly messed up some countries but that does not in any way justify the stuff the US has done."
Every country that you accuse the US of messing up, the USSR was involved in, but you ignore that fact. Probably because you have a socialist bent.
I like how you try to diminish the USSR's "Crimes" by using the word 'some'. You want use the word some to denote it is some small thing and let's get back to the US, because that is your favorite topic, because you are a God Damned communist.
I could see why you would want to be a communist. You know nothing, never knew anything and want society to carry your worthless ass. It is probably why you are divorced.
Grenada? We put in the government of Iraq through elections. You forget about the purple dyed finger tips. We won Iraq. It does not mean that in later years some limp-wristed fool with a body man can't come along and give away the gains, but we won.
"The problem is that with a site like this one, dedicated to war and military stuff ..."
There is no problem with a site like this. None. As long as there is original sin, there is a need to study of military science, which includes theory, history, and current events. As has often been pointed it on this site, “You may not have an interest in War, but war has an interest in you.” It is not about being an enthusiast. It is about necessity. Learning military science is as necessary as leaning accounting or physics. Having relatives on every continent, I really do not want war or wars, but unlike an imbecile like yourself, I understand you have to be prepared and have to make a study of war so as to not be a victim.
I could say right back at you, but you are a lazy cuss and don’t own dishes nor would you do them. You would rather the poor woman you are leeching off of provide you with a Happy Meal. For you it is the high point of your existence and it means no dishes.
And Bob, you realize that you post anonymously?
Gotcha!
You have said that before Bob and then carried on with your tirades against America.
My points stand.
You are seriously anti-American wretch.
You are the Pot calling the Kettle black. Tell us about the Metis, Bob.
At SOFREP a writer said "if you have not defeated them in 3 years, you are training them."
Lets say that it WAS a bad deal. Trump is still the one who pulled out of it. That means no more crying when Iran pulls out of the same deal years later. Of course the Israeli-friendly media acts like Iran is breaking a holy covenant which we're still upholding every time they reduce their (no longer binding) commitments to the aforementioned failed deal.
"Of course the Israeli-friendly media acts like..."
Are you still polishing that turd?
Israel is not needed to know it was a bad deal. Just knowing that there are military nuclear sites that are off limits or that 'surprise' inspections are really not surprise inspections is enough to know that Obbumbles negotiated a bad deal in ill faith to his fellow Americans.
Come back when you got something. Ask your mum to let you out of the basement so you can get some vitamin D.
I understand the truth hurts sometimes.
You tell me to get out of my basement while using your cute baby names for Obama lol.
Obama negotiated a bad deal, yup. No disagreement there. Then Trump came along and let Iran keep the money while tossing all the diplomatic mechanisms that money bought into the trash. I won't stoop to your level with the insults. Honestly wish you good luck with your jihad and hope your children and the Iranian children live long healthy lives. Have a nice day.
Let them keep the money AND keep the deal which was doing a lot more to prevent a middle eastern nuclear arms race than sanctions do.
"...to prevent a middle eastern nuclear arms race than sanctions do."
Ummm No.
Obozo scared the Saudis into jump starting their nuclear and ballistic missile capability.
"The combination of a new leadership in Riyadh that is more prepared to take firm action and the crisis in Yemen have added to Saudi disagreement over the Iran deal. As the Pakistanis feared, it has polarized an already deeply divided Muslim world. "
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2016/07/13/what-the-iran-deal-has-meant-for-saudi-arabia-and-regional-tensions/#cancel
The Saudis bought Chinese ballistic nuclear missiles, which they will reverse engineer.
They have dibs on a Paki nuke, since they helped fund the Paki program
What the clown Obozo did was jump stat the Middle East Arms Race.
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